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Good morning, good evening, good night, good afternoon.
Sometimes it's easier for me to keep going than to quit.
Life is real, you know what I mean? You have to go out there and put the work in.
And if you've never been in the pit at a NASCAR race, do it.
The time you put in while no one is around will be what sets you apart when everyone is watching.
Because a lot of times you'd be like, oh yeah, that's a cool little idea.
And once they really understand where you're coming from, the meaning behind it all in your heart, what you really want to accomplish, that's when people dive in.
They really get on board with it.
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Whatever time you're listening in, wherever you're listening from, East USA, West USA, anywhere in the world.
Big shout out. You could be anywhere in the world, but you're here listening with us right now.
Whether you're an AI enthusiast, whether you're hearing the buzzword of AI and you don't know what's going on.
I'd like to introduce a very, very special guest.
He was recently featured in the San Francisco Standard and donned the hackathon king of the local circuit out there.
He's won over 200 hackathons, so really speed tournaments to come up with an idea developed.
And you'd think he'd know every line of code, every syntax, every language.
But the truth is, he's been using a technique called vibe coding way before we donned it.
Vibe coding. He was a pioneer in it.
So these are PhDs.
These are people with engineering backgrounds that are entering these hackathons and he's sweeping them, just running them.
I was able to speak about vibe coding at WorldCoin recently, has a product called Agencies that we're going to get into a little bit later.
but i just wanted to let you know renee i am absolutely honored to be able to pick your brain
um your track record of not only winning professional yugioh tournaments but music
shows that you really have a well-rounded strategist mind and people are speaking very
highly quoted in the new york times uh anything i miss no shit man i got about everything but
yeah thanks so much i really appreciate it uh my name is renee um thanks for having me here
appreciate it yeah no problem no problem so i want to go back to the beginning kind of give a brief
overview of what vibe coding is and kind of how you discovered it or got into it
yeah so uh vibe coding is just basically the act of using ai to build products for you
um so for me um i discovered it uh about two years ago two and a half years ago somewhere around
there um i was introduced to chat gpt um and i one day was asking my head engineer too many times
hey can you use uh ai to maybe help with this and then one day you're like if you ask me to use ai
one more time i'm gonna quit i'm like all right well we were bootstrapped so i knew if i shut
down the company it doesn't really hurt anyone besides myself so i shut down the company and i
wanted to rebuild the product and what took my team two three months of with eight people took
me two three days by myself so i went on to just build a lot of shit and that was my first taste
of vibe coding and that's how i got into it because i was just angry i wanted to see like well if
people with 20 plus years of experience in engineering can do all this shit and i can do
like 10 times more than that like what else can i do yeah absolutely uh when the mind opens up to
vibe coding and the idea of using ai tools to kind of craft your thoughts or your voice where
you become almost a creative director and let the tools do the things that would take
your traditional developer hours to do really in seconds so that's amazing you were able to
recognize and it's early in the world it's early enough that you're seeing it kind of
change and grow as the software has the tools changed yeah um i mean yes as so two years ago
we only had like we didn't really have any tools all we really had was like uh could you ask chat
gbt this could you copy paste this and a lot of time people would do it for like very small things
that would be like three four lines of code and they're like oh this is perfect and they'll just
copy that little piece of thing so i at the time i was like you know what uh whatever and eventually
tools got better they came out with stuff like cursor replit windsurf uh lots lots of lots of
stuff and now um whenever like i build like how i build now is like nothing like i used to build
like two years ago that's amazing that's amazing where do you see the future of it going do you
see it being something that they kind of call on specialists like you to kind of be a mercenary
to solve quick problems do you think uh what's the runway we have till you know kids are vibe
coding well kids are already vibe coding yeah that's the best part like i i love it whenever
i see like kids at hackathons and i'm like this kid is gonna kick all your guys's asses just watch
it and it's fantastic because like realistically like as long as you have the the willingness to
like hey i need is done i'm gonna just do it like you're you're good um we're seeing though like it
it just it's just very expansive right now like lots of people are getting into it lots of people
are like starting to like come up to it again like the kids are kind of amazing because we're
even seeing uh like i've been i've been approached by a couple different people with like different
uh groups of also youth um that like do computers and stuff and like they're they're vibe coding
they're building product they're building video games and like it's it's really impressive to see
that's super cool that's super cool do you think what kind of a mind do you think has an advantage
to it i've heard you on record talking about uh grit kind of you know that that's where we started
the idea of having you on i will not lose podcast just the idea that you know it's the journey it's
changing it's it doesn't do the work and the thinking for you it may do the work but back to
the question what kind of mind do you think excels with these kind of tools right now so um it's kind
of interesting because i mentioned a lot to people about like if you don't know how to code this is
the best time to be able to do this because you won't build the same way that you would if you've
been coding for 20 years in fact it's almost like a really hard like something holding you back
if you do know how to code because you're stuck with all these lessons that don't make sense with
what you're doing and they scream don't do this because it's going to screw everything up but at
the same time it's like almost like a leap of faith and a lot of people have faith in lots of
stuff so if you can see like hey you know just try this see what happens and they start seeing
results well people that don't know how to code they're not going to care that they don't you
know know how to code in the first place they're just going to do it and people that do know how
to code internally it's like well i've been taught all this for all these years all this screams
everything no but do i do it and it's really hard so i think people that have open mindsets people
that are uh if you're someone that like quickly adapts and picks up skills like let's say you're
like a music producer and then you want to learn video editing and then you want to do like graph
like if you're one of those people this is the perfect time for you because the people that got
the farthest on this are generalists people that can pick up a lot of skills really quickly yeah
just enough and then just go because you can do way more with ai this way yeah that's insane uh
we had spoken about a week or so now it's been a few weeks at this point through a mutual friend
and renee introduced me to vibe coding and when you were saying about you know just getting
frustrated and saying i'm gonna get the ai to do it it's ever is a lot of guesswork over the past
couple years of how ai would disrupt and what it would do um how soon i see major companies even
meta making vibe coding if not a hard requirement it's starting to be looked at for employees you
know what's your prediction on it becoming almost like needing to know microsoft office in almost
every job well i think that's a let me give you an example of what what what i'm going to say um
back then swords were extremely lethal and useful swords are still useful and lethal now
however eventually the bow and arrow came along and it was a lot more efficient muskets came
the guns got better the missiles got better and just like things just eventually like outpace it
yes the sword is still very powerful in its own right but compared to a bomb it's kind of like
lackluster so what i'm seeing right now with this is that if you don't know how to vibe code and you
are building in tech you're gonna get outpaced dramatically because the entire industry is
building for that they're building for quicker more uh efficient things and if you're gonna
keep using the sword you cannot compete in war so that's kind of like the only real thing i have
to say about that no that's fire that's fire that's a great outlook on it you know these are
new tools that um you know you are helping and i know you know this but for listeners that are
just getting introduced to you you are pioneering the way that you know this may be an industry you
know the ai industry that the ai shift is here whether or not we're out of the industrial
revolution yet and you have people like yourself meeting with top companies in the world helping
to shape how these tools work i mean is it a lot on your shoulders or is this just who you were to
stand out and this is just what you're doing now so i had a big beef back two years ago with people
because whenever i was learning how to do this whole like ai coding stuff people had a big
problem with me because this was not something like you're supposed to be doing and people would
be like making fun of me they would make all kinds of jokes and stuff and i'm a person that likes to
bully back so i decided like all right if this is going to be the line then make sure you stay on
that side whenever we we go to war so my goal is i knew there's only 15 million people on this world
that know how to be a full stack engineer there's five billion people on this world with a phone
so if i flip the numbers and i start making it to where like hey guys we have way more people
that can all of a sudden build products better than you faster than you and like outscale you
guys well now like i'm not supposed to be the leader but i can flip the narrative and make it
to where it's us versus them and when you're competing against renee you don't necessarily
win often there you go there you go yeah no it shows that's uh that's a curious strategy
you know so it's great because the the world benefits i think of like when skype came across
and disrupted communications it's like did it really disrupt it in a bad way even what we're
doing right now for my listeners that don't know i'm on the east coast a few hours south of new
york may is in the bay area so it's absolute no latency video communication even when skype
started it wasn't that and things come along whatever drives people to always want to do
faster quicker thinker you know um so let me change subjects how do you focus on the the human
aspect you know you see a lot of people saying that ai is i've seen all sorts of rumors flying
around but people think of it as this bad thing that goes against human ingenuity um what what's
your thoughts well i don't blame them in fact i i feel more for them than anyone in around in this
in this whole instance because tech people kind of already know what we're doing however i i think
that this is also stems a lot from the unknown and i think if people knew more and knew how
it can help versus just harm then i think we'd be having a lot different of a conversation
people love talking about how man i keep using fucking guns as analogies because i'm from
missouri but people love talking about how like hey you know guns are they're dangerous they kill
people but they also protect people and the the thing is i don't i i i understand people that
would say like well they still kill people because you're right they do and i can't argue with you
on that but the only things i can say is that i can at least protect because i can't stop other
people but i can control what i can do so i can almost use it as like a way to be a mediator
no it makes sense makes sense and um i get personally frustrated when you see people
spreading rumors that haven't used ai haven't or they're thinking it's still just something
to make essays you know i know you're i know you're not a huge gpt fan but i just use that
because most people are familiar with you know but you're leading the way you spoke at world coin
you know on um i saw the the clip a couple of clips that you had you'll be in there speaking
tearing the room down uh speaking at vibe coding like you said to me you were vibe coding before
they called it vibe coding and you know now they when they released gpt5 they spoke about they had
a whole section about how you can vibe code with it now so is this catching fire is this so i have
my own problems with gpt5 and i don't even use gpt5 my biggest problem with gpt5 was actually
the the whole uh concept that they didn't want to go and allow any of the previous models
because what we've seen time and time again every time they release one of these models
um they release it and then they have to do like 20 iterations before it gets mediocre and what we
see is stuff like uh one one time uh they had this situation where um people have these like
public shares you've probably seen this where people chats are just being shared and like
all of a sudden they're being indexed by google now you have all your private information and
api keys all over the internet i'm seeing that like it's just for a lot like for anybody that's
been building prior it hurts those people anyone that has been a new user it helps them because
they don't know but at the same time if they're really needing to do a vibe coding section
they should make a separate product ai models are ai models adding tools and adding infrastructure
are one thing but what they're wanting to do really needs to be its own product you don't have
well whenever you see microsoft microsoft has a bunch of products they have their own word they
have their own system they have like all these different things chat gbt is trying to shove
everything into one little box and say like oh this is a standard and realistically i know that
they're over like off their bits they're biting off more than they can chew if they would just
go and diversify it into a separate thing and into multiple things that were other niches instead of
burning the whole fucking ocean they'd be doing much better right now but they're not no i don't
know if they can go back so that's uh that's that's a great i don't want to call it a hot
take that's just great insight in general have you used clod code i haven't used clod code but
what am i using that that has such outputs i know it's built on clod code um our boy alex i had to
shout him out in this uh in this alex cologne has been we've been uh in his discord server and he's
been showing me clod code but no i've been stuck on replet since you put me on it burned through
my usage and about to start some more stuff you can use anything you want brother the only reason
i brought this up though is because whenever uh anthropic did claude originally claude was
a chat bot and they had api but when they went for claude code they made a separate product for
claude so they didn't just pop that into their main because it would be it would not work anymore
it would not be the same product which is why claude code works because they fucking separated
it so it reminds me of uh i know we set off mike that you were replaying uh final fantasy i think
do you remember the gun blades where they're like let's take this sword that works perfectly fine
this gun that works let's just combine them and make hell yeah
would use the cool as fuck bro cool as fuck big sword that's awesome well i will put something
but no you're right sometimes just a tool that does one thing and that's what's been so interesting
about watching the race i loved that mid journey was its own thing because i don't think i'm still
a power user at chat gbt and i don't see a use to use it for image generation it got better but
was still not the best if that's what you want to do now i made it accessible for somebody who
wasn't going to look at mid journey but hanging out in their discords and seeing um you know what
what are they making for the commercial workflow you know i've been working at least for my legacy
i don't even know in a year if i'll be doing the creative services like i'm doing now or maybe with
a bunch of different ai tools and still connecting with people they don't want to learn the tools yet
but i have no idea what the landscape looks like and credit usage i don't think your average person
is looking at they just pay a monthly fee and they don't think wow there's people that use it
more than me or less than me so a lot of paradigm shifts that have to happen and i don't know if
it's going to take for voice to be super easy where you can just tell your phone to do stuff
and it goes into an agent mode knows your intent and does it so i think that's actually going to
be very common very soon i even met with uh i'm gonna say this and i'm just gonna hope he doesn't
get mad at me for saying this so i met the other day with uh mc hammer and he has his own like
ai phone coming out and i know that's exactly what they're they're gonna they're gonna be making it
do everything in your damn thing uh they wanted to re completely rebuild it and stuff so i i
I know that's going to be very popular.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
No, it's interesting, at least from a personal perspective,
there's things that I want the AI to do.
It's like, all right, it's already awesome that it does that,
so it should be able to do this.
And I'm like, I'm really on the edge of, okay, can I make it do this?
And when I was watching the GPT-5, they introduced personalities in the voice
where you can kind of have it switch into different modes and i think it's hilarious
because i've been doing that for a few months i have different modes if i wanted to talk faster
and give me tasks or what and um you kind of sit there and you think everybody thinks like this
everybody thinks well it should be able to do this or i should be able to switch it to
uh new york accent uh you know it should have different voices and i get they wanted to just
work first but to see them then add things that you've been on record trying to tell people
look this is what it is does it does it ever drive you crazy or i mean it's one of those
things that it's like it's part of the industry you just got to deal with it it sucks yeah yeah
how many people would you say i mean is there um i've been tapping into communities of vibe coders
big shout out to your boy billy too he spoke so highly of you are you that's my boy i love that
dude that guy i i back him on everything that that guy's great that's awesome that's awesome
yeah we were um we were going back and forth on messenger i reached out to him just how we see him
and you and alex's stuff so trying to just get an idea of what sort of philosophies what sort
of mindsets you know you have been on record just talking about being driven and just that that
workhorse ability you know what do you feel sets you apart can anybody do what you do i mean your
track record is in like the 10th of a percentile in multiple things here's what i think and i'll
tell this i told i tell this with like all my investors i just got off on an investor call too
anyone can do what i do i graduated high school with d's i dropped out of college my first
semester because it was boring to me i only learned how to do this shit in less like two years
anyone can do what i can do but the reason why people won't be able to do it is only because
i have more grit than people i don't give up i'm i'm a surprise people don't see me coming and they
don't understand where this guy comes from because i don't have the background and because i have
these little advantages like not having a background just being a regular dude i can use
that to take a market and overnight people will be like who was this and that's part that's part
of it that's awesome that's awesome is that something you recognize in yourself and now
you just lean into um you know it's more like yeah it's kind of something like um i had to like
i had to first figure out why like someone one day asked me like hey renee why why are you always
about like doing this stuff but you're always telling people like all this like hey you're
just a guy you know like don't don't tell people you're smart like just like oh yeah he's just like
some idiot or something and the reason behind all this is because if you let people like
underestimate you you can really go way farther than where they think they they are so like if
you're like hey uh this guy you know um he he you know he says he doesn't really know anything but
he can like maybe type something let's let him try it and i touch it and all of a sudden it's
like gold well all of a sudden it's a completely different topic that we have to have and it's uh
it's just super useful for um for that type of stuff sorry i know i just caught you it's scary
no i think it gets scary with people with even though it's easy i think the idea that it just
does it for you is an interesting thing like you know i'm in the creative services i'm in the stuff
with cameras so people all the time will see you show up to a shoot and say oh you know the video
is going to look great because that camera you have it's like oh you want to borrow it like here
take the the camera big shout out to alex cookie had told me that and i'm like yep i'm stealing
that that's a good one because the even podcasting people are like oh that's simple you know talk to
me two years later when you're like wow it's every stuff don't even know who's listening
I thought about because I have the equipment doing this live but I'm like no you know as smooth as
this is gone knock on wood anything can happen and I wanted to really be able to get some future
predictions because people don't always like the monday that this drops it's it may go viral who
knows but that's not oh it's more let me get an idea to pick the brain people have quoted you as
the next steve jobs and i wanted to spend some time talking about signal versus noise and whether
or not you know your ratio you seem pretty high signal you know um seem like you can lock in and
really do the work past the point where your mind's shutting down you know and not everybody
can do that so well what i'm really seeing i guess is that like i already knew like six like
or at the beginning of the year i knew that ai agent coding was about to be the next big thing
because once i started replit like come out with replication and then like i'm starting cursor i
immediately knew like oh this is it so what i'm starting to see is you have a ton of companies
building um ai agent products and they are building also like ways to build code so like
building another cursors other replicas but what i'm not seeing a lot of is tools that you can give
someone that's going to be a vibe coder that's more where i'm starting to like start having my
company be is that like if as vibe coders okay they're gonna have replet or whatever but once
they build up their web their website they're gonna need other stuff they're gonna need a
customer service they're gonna need a crm they're gonna all this shit so my concept for right now
is i see a lot more and this is like early but i'm seeing other people around me that are
competitors do the same shit now where we're all just making it to where like we're gonna empower
vibe coders because there's a giant market already of people that are paying twenty dollars a month
fifty dollars a month hundred dollars a month for their products and then they're going to be
willing to spend another couple dollars here and there on something that helps make them not have
to do shit because they're just one people companies yeah i would uh i would pay even
just for a library almost like remember jakeberry back in the day where i don't know you were i
don't know if you were coding i had some experience with coding when i was younger just html i know
some css and i'd like to go down the design end like photoshop illustrator all that stuff but um
i would i didn't know javascript but there were libraries of stuff that said this is what it does
and you could just kind of cut it and paste it and put it into your code it might have been sloppy
but it worked um do you think the idea of vibe coding becomes more drag and drop for stuff where
there's a value for libraries to just say hey this dude did this cool almost like an open source
where hey i want to build it but not copy it and change it build something like it i don't know
yeah there is because there will always be people trying to um reinvent the wheel it's always people
trying to reinvent zillow or stripe or the next company and that's okay because that just allows
you to build a much more competitive market that's fair enough that's fair enough so 90 days
from now let's do a short-term and a long-term prediction and then we can get into agencies for
a little bit sure sure uh little shit um in the next 30 days fuck uh man i don't really know about
the next 30 days because i feel like um a lot of the stuff right now is just noise even like all
like all the new stuff that's been coming out like whenever dpd5 came out like i just feel like
all this is just like people's launching stuff so that shareholders and people are happy i'm not
really seeing any of this being really new i think in the next 90 days though we will be seeing more
robotics i think uh robotics is going to be like very hot uh bio uh robotics is going to be super
hot um you're gonna see a lot of people using ai to allow like micro stuff in your blood to like
do stuff more together because right now whenever you put like like stuff into your body to do
things they're kind of like on this like very closed circuit idea that like if this do this
if this do this and that's how that kind of stuff works but i'm seeing now with ai since it's so
dynamic we're gonna have a lot more uh ways to even like help cure cancer and stuff so
that's what i'm excited about that's insanity and i am on that side i'm with you in terms of
everything that can heal i mean like you said fire you know do we say it burns people so no
more fire for the human race it's kind of like uh education we're not going to spend too much
time getting on regulations or anything but you used your skill set to build agencies.co it's not
spelled like agency like a marketing agency it's agent like an ai agent or a double o agent um
agencies.co i got that right right yeah yeah it's it's i i hate talking about the name sometimes
because i also get how hard it is to if you tell them like oh yeah agencies.com they'll type in
the word agencies and i'm like uh there's a t in there also by the way but that's a play on
word like oh that's branding eventually if the branding goes well that'll be huge if branding
doesn't oh well no it's uh it's great i've spent a long time in marketing and it's it's great
and it's gonna be a sleeper because agent is gonna be a common like uh not everybody is
aware of what we're even talking about when we say the agent so i'll kind of give a metaphor
for my listeners that are still listening that this didn't get too techie but when you ask your
phone what's the weather it has some settings like where you are and it knows the weather all
around the world but it has to say what's specific to you or it has to kind of know where you're
going and that's even a very smart version considered a calculator which doesn't know
what two plus two is four is but it'll always give you the right answer when you get to something
like an agent that has sources of databases of information it can call on you can have it do
things like draft emails and invoices for you. It can operate your web browser for you. It's
much smarter than finding out the weather. You could tell it to book a trip and check the weather
someplace you're not. And these are just examples that healthcare industry is going to start taking
over using these. You're going to see it in service. I have a shout out to Kripa. She is
owner of robot lab i just met with her last night at a ribbon cutting and she had one of her robots
there uh programmed with ai and just interacting with people passing information around but she
has clients where it's serving food and um i can't stress enough to people that's why i do these
series it's it's here it's not coming there it's just the fact that people might be weird with
getting served robot by a food but hey i got a better one for you than food how about um have
you ever seen a robot fight club robot fight club i might have seen clips on something i see so
gyms do but go ahead so basically uh this was like two days ago so here in san francisco at
the frontier tower we had a robot fight club happen where we had like robots fighting each
other and people were just like you know doing whatever what happens on the background but it
is the most lit coolest thing ever and i think more people are going to start paying money to
see these like robots fight in the ring it's so entertaining and then watching people fight robots
is also really interesting people fighting robots that gets a little bit weird that's
it's trippy as fuck bro not for nothing i would even just for training um i trained jujitsu like
to have another body that knows how to resist but a little bit to go through things um well yeah
gyms do it mostly as a mock around like they'll have a combat fighting so i was aware of the
concept haven't seen a robot fight um i would be curious if it just strikes if it's just like a
really good muay thai stroker if you could teach it like some jujitsu and it grapples a bit and
it's hard to hold down so from what i've seen uh it's like people that are like building their own
so i'm sure they can train it to do whatever oh it's not all humanoid it's back like when we did
the oh it's like uh battle bots yeah yeah well yeah it's basically that except like robots that
are like humanoids oh geez that's sick dude it was so cool like like you need to come out here
to san francisco sometime bro we got coolest shit ever i uh i am i i've been connecting with a
couple people now i built this streaming setup just to play around with streaming did nothing
with it but almost everybody i've been connecting with on threads is like a dj out that way uh
producer out that way um so i've already said i just need enough people that i could go meet
figure out because i'm sure an airbnb in the bay area is not exactly the cheapest but
i mean it's like the same as rent it's like 3 000 a month oh i wouldn't be uh you want he wants me
to go out for a month i'm gonna do like a couple days or something but we'll figure it out no no
honestly it was a big step to do the remote interviews and get all the tech set up and then
your boy billy took one look at my setup and he's like oh yeah you can send sound at the speed of
light if you just do this setup build it on top of your existing server and i'm like so i gotta
stop hanging out with you guys like you guys will tell me all the problems i made my last wordpress
site ever after using replit for a couple days i went back and tried to update a page and i was
like wait i can't just click this edit it and tell it to do it it feels so archaic but i'm glad you
like replant now it's just it's so easy clients love it they get their shit gone we're good we
make money yeah and i think that it's only gonna get smarter there's some places where it gets
hicked up and it helps to just know logically i don't think it would run into this bug if it just
did this first and let it go and run for a little bit but it's gonna predict those sorts of things
it's going to get better so that's actually something very interesting you brought up that
is a skill a non-engineer will have over an engineer that type of problem solving is very
hard for traditional engineers because they can't see in their head how some of that payload works
but because you are not you can pick it up way differently that's super super cool man and i
see you still getting excited like you're like uh like showing a younger nephew et or whatever
whatever frozen you know you watch it a ton of times and you watch it with a kid and they're all
excited and hyped up it's like uh it's cool but i am uh i am i don't call myself smart but i'm
observant enough to realize what parts you're playing in this whole thing i'm glad to kind of
have a hand in it and say we can't push each other back and forth to do stuff you know but
um how long are you on this route do you have uh you're raising venture capital right now do you
want to shout out and talk a little bit about that we can land the plane um sure why not uh currently
um so agencies uh which is my agi agent framework um it's basically intercom slash zendesk as one
product um with investors right now we've raised already 20k we're raising 500k on a safe note
uh on a three mil eval and uh right now we have um like 20k already in we just got done talking
with another investor today um let's see where it goes it seems like that might close and if it
we might have a lot of money uh taken care of so we'll we'll see what happens but it's it's very
cool um right now just raising cash happens happens yeah uh but yeah so for those of you
don't know the software zendesk that he compared it to i am a user of agencies.co it's a shameless
plug if you go to to the designer.com you can talk with my agent that i built in about 5-10 minutes
got it up quicker but spent some time to make it a little bit smarter so that it knows some
of my terms and can it's like a faq page it's a ai agent chat bot that knows your pricing knows
your style can answer things can give people links to specific pages and all you do is describe it in
a prompt and put a little bit of code on your page or send it to your developer and it's up and
running it's absolutely amazing and when I got it running I'm like I got to interview this guy
thanks so what was it relatively easy then for you it was what I would say is that I am a
and this is good i'm a tweaker like i would get the stream deck over the legion go because i want
to be able to customize it or run a different operating system so it gave me just enough that
i felt good adding the for lack of a better term the resource database but just out of the box if
you tell it to be something i can see if i was like a baker or something how much knowledge it
has right out of the box where you can just say i want you to be a baker boom put the coat on and
now somebody's talking so i took more time than somebody normally would but i'm glad that i could
take more time it makes it way more impressive cool i'm i'm very happy and uh how long do you
think it took like in general like since you did take more time how long do you think it took like
uh 15 20 minutes maybe i mean not bad not bad that's pretty good well i had things like my
terms and conditions my pricing um it was interesting i actually had a whole pricing
that was up already so it was able to make a pricing sheet and then just throw that into it
so combination of chat gbt and the agencies and existing stuff that i already had so
So we can talk more about some ways, some kind of hiccups that I had, but, you know, it's super solid product.
The UI looks good.
It wasn't hard to find anything.
And I think if I want to commend you on the ability to name or the ability to have thing like the Neuralink is great.
No spoilers, guys.
Go to agencies.co and check it out.
But it has a name or a brand.
It's like you leaned into that 90s hacker.
And I loved it.
Thanks.
I appreciate it.
Cool.
So anything else cool on the horizon you want to drop?
Any predictions you want to do?
I'm going to chop this up and people check out these interviews two, three years later.
People still check out my first ones.
So if you want to put in a time capsule.
Yeah, I think we'll see our first billion dollar company within a year.
All right.
at the time of recording this it's about august 10th 2025 um i should have did that when i made
my predictions which had gbt because they're resurfacing now people are going to think that
i just said it like dude it's august 2025 and ai is going to change the world yeah it's a lot more
impressive when people didn't know what it was but yeah i i think you're right i think that the
solopreneur and i recognize this about a year year and a half ago when i tell people what i do
they don't ask how but if they did it's leveraging ai tools it was always a speed runner but if i
have a specific camera and i need to find it on ebay and that takes me 40 minutes to cross
reference but i can just have an agent give me a list of seven based on different filters
or take it a step further and say look for a description where the person doesn't know what
they're selling they found it in an estate sale or something you know how many lenses are chilling
out there for like 50 because they all look the same people don't know what the numbers mean so
it's like uh running a podcast two businesses and training jujitsu still have time to grow
my stardew valley farm almost every other week so i'm doing it you know i feel it brother i feel it
brother i appreciate being here thank you so much for having me yeah man glad to be connected i'm
going to kill the recording but stick around for one second cool sounds good thank you for listening
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