Cracking Tomorrow: Vibe Coding, AI Robotics, and Tech Shaping Our Future With Rene Turcios

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[00:00:00.960] Good morning, good evening, good night, good afternoon.
[00:00:10.190] Sometimes it's easier for me to keep going than to quit.
[00:00:15.640] Life is real, you know what I mean? You have to go out there and put the work in.
[00:00:20.200] And if you've never been in the pit at a NASCAR race, do it.
[00:00:24.940] The time you put in while no one is around will be what sets you apart when everyone is watching.
[00:00:33.390] Because a lot of times you'd be like, oh yeah, that's a cool little idea.
[00:00:36.840] And once they really understand where you're coming from, the meaning behind it all in your heart, what you really want to accomplish, that's when people dive in.
[00:00:43.300] They really get on board with it.
[00:00:53.740] What's up? What's up? What's up? Good morning. Good evening. Good night.
[00:00:56.540] Whatever time you're listening in, wherever you're listening from, East USA, West USA, anywhere in the world.
[00:01:04.220] Big shout out. You could be anywhere in the world, but you're here listening with us right now.
[00:01:08.960] Whether you're an AI enthusiast, whether you're hearing the buzzword of AI and you don't know what's going on.
[00:01:14.300] I'd like to introduce a very, very special guest.
[00:01:18.580] He was recently featured in the San Francisco Standard and donned the hackathon king of the local circuit out there.
[00:01:24.980] He's won over 200 hackathons, so really speed tournaments to come up with an idea developed.
[00:01:34.560] And you'd think he'd know every line of code, every syntax, every language.
[00:01:39.940] But the truth is, he's been using a technique called vibe coding way before we donned it.
[00:01:46.880] Vibe coding. He was a pioneer in it.
[00:01:49.860] So these are PhDs.
[00:01:51.900] These are people with engineering backgrounds that are entering these hackathons and he's sweeping them, just running them.
[00:02:00.460] I was able to speak about vibe coding at WorldCoin recently, has a product called Agencies that we're going to get into a little bit later.
[00:02:09.060] but i just wanted to let you know renee i am absolutely honored to be able to pick your brain
[00:02:15.980] um your track record of not only winning professional yugioh tournaments but music
[00:02:22.100] shows that you really have a well-rounded strategist mind and people are speaking very
[00:02:27.940] highly quoted in the new york times uh anything i miss no shit man i got about everything but
[00:02:35.840] yeah thanks so much i really appreciate it uh my name is renee um thanks for having me here
[00:02:40.000] appreciate it yeah no problem no problem so i want to go back to the beginning kind of give a brief
[00:02:48.070] overview of what vibe coding is and kind of how you discovered it or got into it
[00:02:53.990] yeah so uh vibe coding is just basically the act of using ai to build products for you
[00:02:59.750] um so for me um i discovered it uh about two years ago two and a half years ago somewhere around
[00:03:05.510] there um i was introduced to chat gpt um and i one day was asking my head engineer too many times
[00:03:14.450] hey can you use uh ai to maybe help with this and then one day you're like if you ask me to use ai
[00:03:20.350] one more time i'm gonna quit i'm like all right well we were bootstrapped so i knew if i shut
[00:03:25.630] down the company it doesn't really hurt anyone besides myself so i shut down the company and i
[00:03:30.290] wanted to rebuild the product and what took my team two three months of with eight people took
[00:03:34.470] me two three days by myself so i went on to just build a lot of shit and that was my first taste
[00:03:39.830] of vibe coding and that's how i got into it because i was just angry i wanted to see like well if
[00:03:44.070] people with 20 plus years of experience in engineering can do all this shit and i can do
[00:03:48.610] like 10 times more than that like what else can i do yeah absolutely uh when the mind opens up to
[00:03:55.630] vibe coding and the idea of using ai tools to kind of craft your thoughts or your voice where
[00:04:02.670] you become almost a creative director and let the tools do the things that would take
[00:04:07.710] your traditional developer hours to do really in seconds so that's amazing you were able to
[00:04:14.770] recognize and it's early in the world it's early enough that you're seeing it kind of
[00:04:23.350] change and grow as the software has the tools changed yeah um i mean yes as so two years ago
[00:04:32.300] we only had like we didn't really have any tools all we really had was like uh could you ask chat
[00:04:38.460] gbt this could you copy paste this and a lot of time people would do it for like very small things
[00:04:43.480] that would be like three four lines of code and they're like oh this is perfect and they'll just
[00:04:47.360] copy that little piece of thing so i at the time i was like you know what uh whatever and eventually
[00:04:53.300] tools got better they came out with stuff like cursor replit windsurf uh lots lots of lots of
[00:04:59.240] stuff and now um whenever like i build like how i build now is like nothing like i used to build
[00:05:06.200] like two years ago that's amazing that's amazing where do you see the future of it going do you
[00:05:12.730] see it being something that they kind of call on specialists like you to kind of be a mercenary
[00:05:19.830] to solve quick problems do you think uh what's the runway we have till you know kids are vibe
[00:05:25.770] coding well kids are already vibe coding yeah that's the best part like i i love it whenever
[00:05:32.280] i see like kids at hackathons and i'm like this kid is gonna kick all your guys's asses just watch
[00:05:37.380] it and it's fantastic because like realistically like as long as you have the the willingness to
[00:05:42.820] like hey i need is done i'm gonna just do it like you're you're good um we're seeing though like it
[00:05:49.520] it just it's just very expansive right now like lots of people are getting into it lots of people
[00:05:53.980] are like starting to like come up to it again like the kids are kind of amazing because we're
[00:05:59.200] even seeing uh like i've been i've been approached by a couple different people with like different
[00:06:03.300] uh groups of also youth um that like do computers and stuff and like they're they're vibe coding
[00:06:10.120] they're building product they're building video games and like it's it's really impressive to see
[00:06:14.640] that's super cool that's super cool do you think what kind of a mind do you think has an advantage
[00:06:20.650] to it i've heard you on record talking about uh grit kind of you know that that's where we started
[00:06:26.810] the idea of having you on i will not lose podcast just the idea that you know it's the journey it's
[00:06:33.210] changing it's it doesn't do the work and the thinking for you it may do the work but back to
[00:06:41.370] the question what kind of mind do you think excels with these kind of tools right now so um it's kind
[00:06:50.020] of interesting because i mentioned a lot to people about like if you don't know how to code this is
[00:06:55.100] the best time to be able to do this because you won't build the same way that you would if you've
[00:07:00.540] been coding for 20 years in fact it's almost like a really hard like something holding you back
[00:07:07.480] if you do know how to code because you're stuck with all these lessons that don't make sense with
[00:07:13.420] what you're doing and they scream don't do this because it's going to screw everything up but at
[00:07:18.440] the same time it's like almost like a leap of faith and a lot of people have faith in lots of
[00:07:22.100] stuff so if you can see like hey you know just try this see what happens and they start seeing
[00:07:27.100] results well people that don't know how to code they're not going to care that they don't you
[00:07:31.260] know know how to code in the first place they're just going to do it and people that do know how
[00:07:34.760] to code internally it's like well i've been taught all this for all these years all this screams
[00:07:41.260] everything no but do i do it and it's really hard so i think people that have open mindsets people
[00:07:48.570] that are uh if you're someone that like quickly adapts and picks up skills like let's say you're
[00:07:53.550] like a music producer and then you want to learn video editing and then you want to do like graph
[00:07:58.210] like if you're one of those people this is the perfect time for you because the people that got
[00:08:04.070] the farthest on this are generalists people that can pick up a lot of skills really quickly yeah
[00:08:09.630] just enough and then just go because you can do way more with ai this way yeah that's insane uh
[00:08:17.790] we had spoken about a week or so now it's been a few weeks at this point through a mutual friend
[00:08:23.390] and renee introduced me to vibe coding and when you were saying about you know just getting
[00:08:28.370] frustrated and saying i'm gonna get the ai to do it it's ever is a lot of guesswork over the past
[00:08:35.090] couple years of how ai would disrupt and what it would do um how soon i see major companies even
[00:08:43.570] meta making vibe coding if not a hard requirement it's starting to be looked at for employees you
[00:08:50.810] know what's your prediction on it becoming almost like needing to know microsoft office in almost
[00:08:59.920] every job well i think that's a let me give you an example of what what what i'm going to say um
[00:09:07.820] back then swords were extremely lethal and useful swords are still useful and lethal now
[00:09:14.360] however eventually the bow and arrow came along and it was a lot more efficient muskets came
[00:09:21.040] the guns got better the missiles got better and just like things just eventually like outpace it
[00:09:27.960] yes the sword is still very powerful in its own right but compared to a bomb it's kind of like
[00:09:35.630] lackluster so what i'm seeing right now with this is that if you don't know how to vibe code and you
[00:09:41.130] are building in tech you're gonna get outpaced dramatically because the entire industry is
[00:09:47.310] building for that they're building for quicker more uh efficient things and if you're gonna
[00:09:53.990] keep using the sword you cannot compete in war so that's kind of like the only real thing i have
[00:10:00.350] to say about that no that's fire that's fire that's a great outlook on it you know these are
[00:10:06.500] new tools that um you know you are helping and i know you know this but for listeners that are
[00:10:14.460] just getting introduced to you you are pioneering the way that you know this may be an industry you
[00:10:22.140] know the ai industry that the ai shift is here whether or not we're out of the industrial
[00:10:26.660] revolution yet and you have people like yourself meeting with top companies in the world helping
[00:10:33.900] to shape how these tools work i mean is it a lot on your shoulders or is this just who you were to
[00:10:41.220] stand out and this is just what you're doing now so i had a big beef back two years ago with people
[00:10:48.640] because whenever i was learning how to do this whole like ai coding stuff people had a big
[00:10:54.480] problem with me because this was not something like you're supposed to be doing and people would
[00:10:59.700] be like making fun of me they would make all kinds of jokes and stuff and i'm a person that likes to
[00:11:05.380] bully back so i decided like all right if this is going to be the line then make sure you stay on
[00:11:11.260] that side whenever we we go to war so my goal is i knew there's only 15 million people on this world
[00:11:17.880] that know how to be a full stack engineer there's five billion people on this world with a phone
[00:11:24.840] so if i flip the numbers and i start making it to where like hey guys we have way more people
[00:11:32.270] that can all of a sudden build products better than you faster than you and like outscale you
[00:11:36.450] guys well now like i'm not supposed to be the leader but i can flip the narrative and make it
[00:11:42.330] to where it's us versus them and when you're competing against renee you don't necessarily
[00:11:47.590] win often there you go there you go yeah no it shows that's uh that's a curious strategy
[00:11:55.290] you know so it's great because the the world benefits i think of like when skype came across
[00:12:02.910] and disrupted communications it's like did it really disrupt it in a bad way even what we're
[00:12:08.850] doing right now for my listeners that don't know i'm on the east coast a few hours south of new
[00:12:14.190] york may is in the bay area so it's absolute no latency video communication even when skype
[00:12:22.550] started it wasn't that and things come along whatever drives people to always want to do
[00:12:30.720] faster quicker thinker you know um so let me change subjects how do you focus on the the human
[00:12:38.870] aspect you know you see a lot of people saying that ai is i've seen all sorts of rumors flying
[00:12:44.790] around but people think of it as this bad thing that goes against human ingenuity um what what's
[00:12:53.370] your thoughts well i don't blame them in fact i i feel more for them than anyone in around in this
[00:13:01.870] in this whole instance because tech people kind of already know what we're doing however i i think
[00:13:09.600] that this is also stems a lot from the unknown and i think if people knew more and knew how
[00:13:17.680] it can help versus just harm then i think we'd be having a lot different of a conversation
[00:13:23.200] people love talking about how man i keep using fucking guns as analogies because i'm from
[00:13:28.600] missouri but people love talking about how like hey you know guns are they're dangerous they kill
[00:13:34.140] people but they also protect people and the the thing is i don't i i i understand people that
[00:13:43.060] would say like well they still kill people because you're right they do and i can't argue with you
[00:13:48.200] on that but the only things i can say is that i can at least protect because i can't stop other
[00:13:54.440] people but i can control what i can do so i can almost use it as like a way to be a mediator
[00:14:01.320] no it makes sense makes sense and um i get personally frustrated when you see people
[00:14:08.340] spreading rumors that haven't used ai haven't or they're thinking it's still just something
[00:14:14.380] to make essays you know i know you're i know you're not a huge gpt fan but i just use that
[00:14:21.600] because most people are familiar with you know but you're leading the way you spoke at world coin
[00:14:28.740] you know on um i saw the the clip a couple of clips that you had you'll be in there speaking
[00:14:34.860] tearing the room down uh speaking at vibe coding like you said to me you were vibe coding before
[00:14:41.020] they called it vibe coding and you know now they when they released gpt5 they spoke about they had
[00:14:48.900] a whole section about how you can vibe code with it now so is this catching fire is this so i have
[00:14:58.500] my own problems with gpt5 and i don't even use gpt5 my biggest problem with gpt5 was actually
[00:15:05.000] the the whole uh concept that they didn't want to go and allow any of the previous models
[00:15:10.660] because what we've seen time and time again every time they release one of these models
[00:15:15.320] um they release it and then they have to do like 20 iterations before it gets mediocre and what we
[00:15:22.040] see is stuff like uh one one time uh they had this situation where um people have these like
[00:15:28.060] public shares you've probably seen this where people chats are just being shared and like
[00:15:31.840] all of a sudden they're being indexed by google now you have all your private information and
[00:15:36.680] api keys all over the internet i'm seeing that like it's just for a lot like for anybody that's
[00:15:44.160] been building prior it hurts those people anyone that has been a new user it helps them because
[00:15:51.680] they don't know but at the same time if they're really needing to do a vibe coding section
[00:15:56.900] they should make a separate product ai models are ai models adding tools and adding infrastructure
[00:16:04.500] are one thing but what they're wanting to do really needs to be its own product you don't have
[00:16:11.600] well whenever you see microsoft microsoft has a bunch of products they have their own word they
[00:16:17.280] have their own system they have like all these different things chat gbt is trying to shove
[00:16:22.020] everything into one little box and say like oh this is a standard and realistically i know that
[00:16:28.020] they're over like off their bits they're biting off more than they can chew if they would just
[00:16:34.080] go and diversify it into a separate thing and into multiple things that were other niches instead of
[00:16:39.880] burning the whole fucking ocean they'd be doing much better right now but they're not no i don't
[00:16:46.240] know if they can go back so that's uh that's that's a great i don't want to call it a hot
[00:16:52.070] take that's just great insight in general have you used clod code i haven't used clod code but
[00:16:58.770] what am i using that that has such outputs i know it's built on clod code um our boy alex i had to
[00:17:04.930] shout him out in this uh in this alex cologne has been we've been uh in his discord server and he's
[00:17:11.850] been showing me clod code but no i've been stuck on replet since you put me on it burned through
[00:17:16.910] my usage and about to start some more stuff you can use anything you want brother the only reason
[00:17:23.570] i brought this up though is because whenever uh anthropic did claude originally claude was
[00:17:30.730] a chat bot and they had api but when they went for claude code they made a separate product for
[00:17:38.830] claude so they didn't just pop that into their main because it would be it would not work anymore
[00:17:43.750] it would not be the same product which is why claude code works because they fucking separated
[00:17:48.970] it so it reminds me of uh i know we set off mike that you were replaying uh final fantasy i think
[00:17:56.670] do you remember the gun blades where they're like let's take this sword that works perfectly fine
[00:18:02.410] this gun that works let's just combine them and make hell yeah
[00:18:06.530] would use the cool as fuck bro cool as fuck big sword that's awesome well i will put something
[00:18:14.190] but no you're right sometimes just a tool that does one thing and that's what's been so interesting
[00:18:18.790] about watching the race i loved that mid journey was its own thing because i don't think i'm still
[00:18:25.810] a power user at chat gbt and i don't see a use to use it for image generation it got better but
[00:18:34.130] was still not the best if that's what you want to do now i made it accessible for somebody who
[00:18:40.290] wasn't going to look at mid journey but hanging out in their discords and seeing um you know what
[00:18:48.230] what are they making for the commercial workflow you know i've been working at least for my legacy
[00:18:54.770] i don't even know in a year if i'll be doing the creative services like i'm doing now or maybe with
[00:18:59.570] a bunch of different ai tools and still connecting with people they don't want to learn the tools yet
[00:19:04.450] but i have no idea what the landscape looks like and credit usage i don't think your average person
[00:19:12.790] is looking at they just pay a monthly fee and they don't think wow there's people that use it
[00:19:18.010] more than me or less than me so a lot of paradigm shifts that have to happen and i don't know if
[00:19:26.020] it's going to take for voice to be super easy where you can just tell your phone to do stuff
[00:19:32.020] and it goes into an agent mode knows your intent and does it so i think that's actually going to
[00:19:39.240] be very common very soon i even met with uh i'm gonna say this and i'm just gonna hope he doesn't
[00:19:46.370] get mad at me for saying this so i met the other day with uh mc hammer and he has his own like
[00:19:52.550] ai phone coming out and i know that's exactly what they're they're gonna they're gonna be making it
[00:19:57.150] do everything in your damn thing uh they wanted to re completely rebuild it and stuff so i i
[00:20:02.510] I know that's going to be very popular.
[00:20:04.790] Yeah.
[00:20:05.630] Yeah.
[00:20:07.340] Yeah.
[00:20:08.380] No, it's interesting, at least from a personal perspective,
[00:20:13.460] there's things that I want the AI to do.
[00:20:15.880] It's like, all right, it's already awesome that it does that,
[00:20:18.340] so it should be able to do this.
[00:20:20.760] And I'm like, I'm really on the edge of, okay, can I make it do this?
[00:20:25.020] And when I was watching the GPT-5, they introduced personalities in the voice
[00:20:30.060] where you can kind of have it switch into different modes and i think it's hilarious
[00:20:35.300] because i've been doing that for a few months i have different modes if i wanted to talk faster
[00:20:40.800] and give me tasks or what and um you kind of sit there and you think everybody thinks like this
[00:20:48.520] everybody thinks well it should be able to do this or i should be able to switch it to
[00:20:53.780] uh new york accent uh you know it should have different voices and i get they wanted to just
[00:21:00.060] work first but to see them then add things that you've been on record trying to tell people
[00:21:07.680] look this is what it is does it does it ever drive you crazy or i mean it's one of those
[00:21:14.880] things that it's like it's part of the industry you just got to deal with it it sucks yeah yeah
[00:21:21.830] how many people would you say i mean is there um i've been tapping into communities of vibe coders
[00:21:27.650] big shout out to your boy billy too he spoke so highly of you are you that's my boy i love that
[00:21:33.110] dude that guy i i back him on everything that that guy's great that's awesome that's awesome
[00:21:38.590] yeah we were um we were going back and forth on messenger i reached out to him just how we see him
[00:21:43.970] and you and alex's stuff so trying to just get an idea of what sort of philosophies what sort
[00:21:52.010] of mindsets you know you have been on record just talking about being driven and just that that
[00:21:58.430] workhorse ability you know what do you feel sets you apart can anybody do what you do i mean your
[00:22:09.400] track record is in like the 10th of a percentile in multiple things here's what i think and i'll
[00:22:16.980] tell this i told i tell this with like all my investors i just got off on an investor call too
[00:22:21.060] anyone can do what i do i graduated high school with d's i dropped out of college my first
[00:22:28.500] semester because it was boring to me i only learned how to do this shit in less like two years
[00:22:34.660] anyone can do what i can do but the reason why people won't be able to do it is only because
[00:22:42.050] i have more grit than people i don't give up i'm i'm a surprise people don't see me coming and they
[00:22:49.430] don't understand where this guy comes from because i don't have the background and because i have
[00:22:55.230] these little advantages like not having a background just being a regular dude i can use
[00:23:01.490] that to take a market and overnight people will be like who was this and that's part that's part
[00:23:08.990] of it that's awesome that's awesome is that something you recognize in yourself and now
[00:23:14.940] you just lean into um you know it's more like yeah it's kind of something like um i had to like
[00:23:23.480] i had to first figure out why like someone one day asked me like hey renee why why are you always
[00:23:30.480] about like doing this stuff but you're always telling people like all this like hey you're
[00:23:35.260] just a guy you know like don't don't tell people you're smart like just like oh yeah he's just like
[00:23:39.240] some idiot or something and the reason behind all this is because if you let people like
[00:23:44.860] underestimate you you can really go way farther than where they think they they are so like if
[00:23:51.640] you're like hey uh this guy you know um he he you know he says he doesn't really know anything but
[00:23:56.460] he can like maybe type something let's let him try it and i touch it and all of a sudden it's
[00:24:00.360] like gold well all of a sudden it's a completely different topic that we have to have and it's uh
[00:24:06.300] it's just super useful for um for that type of stuff sorry i know i just caught you it's scary
[00:24:14.220] no i think it gets scary with people with even though it's easy i think the idea that it just
[00:24:21.200] does it for you is an interesting thing like you know i'm in the creative services i'm in the stuff
[00:24:27.610] with cameras so people all the time will see you show up to a shoot and say oh you know the video
[00:24:32.910] is going to look great because that camera you have it's like oh you want to borrow it like here
[00:24:38.070] take the the camera big shout out to alex cookie had told me that and i'm like yep i'm stealing
[00:24:43.410] that that's a good one because the even podcasting people are like oh that's simple you know talk to
[00:24:52.500] me two years later when you're like wow it's every stuff don't even know who's listening
[00:24:59.020] I thought about because I have the equipment doing this live but I'm like no you know as smooth as
[00:25:04.800] this is gone knock on wood anything can happen and I wanted to really be able to get some future
[00:25:11.800] predictions because people don't always like the monday that this drops it's it may go viral who
[00:25:18.520] knows but that's not oh it's more let me get an idea to pick the brain people have quoted you as
[00:25:25.240] the next steve jobs and i wanted to spend some time talking about signal versus noise and whether
[00:25:32.400] or not you know your ratio you seem pretty high signal you know um seem like you can lock in and
[00:25:40.080] really do the work past the point where your mind's shutting down you know and not everybody
[00:25:46.800] can do that so well what i'm really seeing i guess is that like i already knew like six like
[00:25:55.340] or at the beginning of the year i knew that ai agent coding was about to be the next big thing
[00:26:01.400] because once i started replit like come out with replication and then like i'm starting cursor i
[00:26:06.300] immediately knew like oh this is it so what i'm starting to see is you have a ton of companies
[00:26:13.940] building um ai agent products and they are building also like ways to build code so like
[00:26:21.620] building another cursors other replicas but what i'm not seeing a lot of is tools that you can give
[00:26:28.960] someone that's going to be a vibe coder that's more where i'm starting to like start having my
[00:26:35.260] company be is that like if as vibe coders okay they're gonna have replet or whatever but once
[00:26:42.120] they build up their web their website they're gonna need other stuff they're gonna need a
[00:26:46.000] customer service they're gonna need a crm they're gonna all this shit so my concept for right now
[00:26:52.220] is i see a lot more and this is like early but i'm seeing other people around me that are
[00:26:57.660] competitors do the same shit now where we're all just making it to where like we're gonna empower
[00:27:02.520] vibe coders because there's a giant market already of people that are paying twenty dollars a month
[00:27:07.560] fifty dollars a month hundred dollars a month for their products and then they're going to be
[00:27:11.140] willing to spend another couple dollars here and there on something that helps make them not have
[00:27:16.000] to do shit because they're just one people companies yeah i would uh i would pay even
[00:27:21.680] just for a library almost like remember jakeberry back in the day where i don't know you were i
[00:27:26.420] don't know if you were coding i had some experience with coding when i was younger just html i know
[00:27:32.300] some css and i'd like to go down the design end like photoshop illustrator all that stuff but um
[00:27:39.780] i would i didn't know javascript but there were libraries of stuff that said this is what it does
[00:27:47.810] and you could just kind of cut it and paste it and put it into your code it might have been sloppy
[00:27:51.810] but it worked um do you think the idea of vibe coding becomes more drag and drop for stuff where
[00:27:59.820] there's a value for libraries to just say hey this dude did this cool almost like an open source
[00:28:05.460] where hey i want to build it but not copy it and change it build something like it i don't know
[00:28:11.540] yeah there is because there will always be people trying to um reinvent the wheel it's always people
[00:28:17.480] trying to reinvent zillow or stripe or the next company and that's okay because that just allows
[00:28:23.240] you to build a much more competitive market that's fair enough that's fair enough so 90 days
[00:28:30.880] from now let's do a short-term and a long-term prediction and then we can get into agencies for
[00:28:36.700] a little bit sure sure uh little shit um in the next 30 days fuck uh man i don't really know about
[00:28:47.140] the next 30 days because i feel like um a lot of the stuff right now is just noise even like all
[00:28:51.760] like all the new stuff that's been coming out like whenever dpd5 came out like i just feel like
[00:28:55.760] all this is just like people's launching stuff so that shareholders and people are happy i'm not
[00:29:02.100] really seeing any of this being really new i think in the next 90 days though we will be seeing more
[00:29:08.460] robotics i think uh robotics is going to be like very hot uh bio uh robotics is going to be super
[00:29:15.140] hot um you're gonna see a lot of people using ai to allow like micro stuff in your blood to like
[00:29:25.020] do stuff more together because right now whenever you put like like stuff into your body to do
[00:29:30.180] things they're kind of like on this like very closed circuit idea that like if this do this
[00:29:35.520] if this do this and that's how that kind of stuff works but i'm seeing now with ai since it's so
[00:29:40.600] dynamic we're gonna have a lot more uh ways to even like help cure cancer and stuff so
[00:29:45.700] that's what i'm excited about that's insanity and i am on that side i'm with you in terms of
[00:29:52.640] everything that can heal i mean like you said fire you know do we say it burns people so no
[00:29:58.940] more fire for the human race it's kind of like uh education we're not going to spend too much
[00:30:05.060] time getting on regulations or anything but you used your skill set to build agencies.co it's not
[00:30:13.180] spelled like agency like a marketing agency it's agent like an ai agent or a double o agent um
[00:30:20.260] agencies.co i got that right right yeah yeah it's it's i i hate talking about the name sometimes
[00:30:27.620] because i also get how hard it is to if you tell them like oh yeah agencies.com they'll type in
[00:30:32.280] the word agencies and i'm like uh there's a t in there also by the way but that's a play on
[00:30:38.040] word like oh that's branding eventually if the branding goes well that'll be huge if branding
[00:30:42.420] doesn't oh well no it's uh it's great i've spent a long time in marketing and it's it's great
[00:30:51.280] and it's gonna be a sleeper because agent is gonna be a common like uh not everybody is
[00:30:59.480] aware of what we're even talking about when we say the agent so i'll kind of give a metaphor
[00:31:05.490] for my listeners that are still listening that this didn't get too techie but when you ask your
[00:31:10.870] phone what's the weather it has some settings like where you are and it knows the weather all
[00:31:17.410] around the world but it has to say what's specific to you or it has to kind of know where you're
[00:31:22.490] going and that's even a very smart version considered a calculator which doesn't know
[00:31:29.960] what two plus two is four is but it'll always give you the right answer when you get to something
[00:31:35.280] like an agent that has sources of databases of information it can call on you can have it do
[00:31:44.940] things like draft emails and invoices for you. It can operate your web browser for you. It's
[00:31:53.320] much smarter than finding out the weather. You could tell it to book a trip and check the weather
[00:31:58.480] someplace you're not. And these are just examples that healthcare industry is going to start taking
[00:32:05.040] over using these. You're going to see it in service. I have a shout out to Kripa. She is
[00:32:12.280] owner of robot lab i just met with her last night at a ribbon cutting and she had one of her robots
[00:32:18.540] there uh programmed with ai and just interacting with people passing information around but she
[00:32:25.280] has clients where it's serving food and um i can't stress enough to people that's why i do these
[00:32:31.820] series it's it's here it's not coming there it's just the fact that people might be weird with
[00:32:40.360] getting served robot by a food but hey i got a better one for you than food how about um have
[00:32:46.820] you ever seen a robot fight club robot fight club i might have seen clips on something i see so
[00:32:52.470] gyms do but go ahead so basically uh this was like two days ago so here in san francisco at
[00:32:57.750] the frontier tower we had a robot fight club happen where we had like robots fighting each
[00:33:02.990] other and people were just like you know doing whatever what happens on the background but it
[00:33:07.190] is the most lit coolest thing ever and i think more people are going to start paying money to
[00:33:12.310] see these like robots fight in the ring it's so entertaining and then watching people fight robots
[00:33:18.590] is also really interesting people fighting robots that gets a little bit weird that's
[00:33:25.440] it's trippy as fuck bro not for nothing i would even just for training um i trained jujitsu like
[00:33:34.580] to have another body that knows how to resist but a little bit to go through things um well yeah
[00:33:42.140] gyms do it mostly as a mock around like they'll have a combat fighting so i was aware of the
[00:33:46.680] concept haven't seen a robot fight um i would be curious if it just strikes if it's just like a
[00:33:53.120] really good muay thai stroker if you could teach it like some jujitsu and it grapples a bit and
[00:33:58.260] it's hard to hold down so from what i've seen uh it's like people that are like building their own
[00:34:04.000] so i'm sure they can train it to do whatever oh it's not all humanoid it's back like when we did
[00:34:09.520] the oh it's like uh battle bots yeah yeah well yeah it's basically that except like robots that
[00:34:16.640] are like humanoids oh geez that's sick dude it was so cool like like you need to come out here
[00:34:22.900] to san francisco sometime bro we got coolest shit ever i uh i am i i've been connecting with a
[00:34:29.360] couple people now i built this streaming setup just to play around with streaming did nothing
[00:34:35.420] with it but almost everybody i've been connecting with on threads is like a dj out that way uh
[00:34:41.940] producer out that way um so i've already said i just need enough people that i could go meet
[00:34:48.980] figure out because i'm sure an airbnb in the bay area is not exactly the cheapest but
[00:34:54.220] i mean it's like the same as rent it's like 3 000 a month oh i wouldn't be uh you want he wants me
[00:35:03.120] to go out for a month i'm gonna do like a couple days or something but we'll figure it out no no
[00:35:10.460] honestly it was a big step to do the remote interviews and get all the tech set up and then
[00:35:16.720] your boy billy took one look at my setup and he's like oh yeah you can send sound at the speed of
[00:35:21.780] light if you just do this setup build it on top of your existing server and i'm like so i gotta
[00:35:27.780] stop hanging out with you guys like you guys will tell me all the problems i made my last wordpress
[00:35:33.020] site ever after using replit for a couple days i went back and tried to update a page and i was
[00:35:39.780] like wait i can't just click this edit it and tell it to do it it feels so archaic but i'm glad you
[00:35:46.280] like replant now it's just it's so easy clients love it they get their shit gone we're good we
[00:35:53.460] make money yeah and i think that it's only gonna get smarter there's some places where it gets
[00:36:00.110] hicked up and it helps to just know logically i don't think it would run into this bug if it just
[00:36:05.150] did this first and let it go and run for a little bit but it's gonna predict those sorts of things
[00:36:11.350] it's going to get better so that's actually something very interesting you brought up that
[00:36:17.150] is a skill a non-engineer will have over an engineer that type of problem solving is very
[00:36:25.190] hard for traditional engineers because they can't see in their head how some of that payload works
[00:36:31.890] but because you are not you can pick it up way differently that's super super cool man and i
[00:36:39.500] see you still getting excited like you're like uh like showing a younger nephew et or whatever
[00:36:46.060] whatever frozen you know you watch it a ton of times and you watch it with a kid and they're all
[00:36:51.320] excited and hyped up it's like uh it's cool but i am uh i am i don't call myself smart but i'm
[00:36:58.760] observant enough to realize what parts you're playing in this whole thing i'm glad to kind of
[00:37:04.280] have a hand in it and say we can't push each other back and forth to do stuff you know but
[00:37:08.940] um how long are you on this route do you have uh you're raising venture capital right now do you
[00:37:14.380] want to shout out and talk a little bit about that we can land the plane um sure why not uh currently
[00:37:20.010] um so agencies uh which is my agi agent framework um it's basically intercom slash zendesk as one
[00:37:27.490] product um with investors right now we've raised already 20k we're raising 500k on a safe note
[00:37:32.850] uh on a three mil eval and uh right now we have um like 20k already in we just got done talking
[00:37:40.210] with another investor today um let's see where it goes it seems like that might close and if it
[00:37:45.990] we might have a lot of money uh taken care of so we'll we'll see what happens but it's it's very
[00:37:52.210] cool um right now just raising cash happens happens yeah uh but yeah so for those of you
[00:37:59.610] don't know the software zendesk that he compared it to i am a user of agencies.co it's a shameless
[00:38:06.790] plug if you go to to the designer.com you can talk with my agent that i built in about 5-10 minutes
[00:38:14.030] got it up quicker but spent some time to make it a little bit smarter so that it knows some
[00:38:20.090] of my terms and can it's like a faq page it's a ai agent chat bot that knows your pricing knows
[00:38:28.730] your style can answer things can give people links to specific pages and all you do is describe it in
[00:38:35.950] a prompt and put a little bit of code on your page or send it to your developer and it's up and
[00:38:42.430] running it's absolutely amazing and when I got it running I'm like I got to interview this guy
[00:38:48.410] thanks so what was it relatively easy then for you it was what I would say is that I am a
[00:38:56.090] and this is good i'm a tweaker like i would get the stream deck over the legion go because i want
[00:39:03.630] to be able to customize it or run a different operating system so it gave me just enough that
[00:39:10.330] i felt good adding the for lack of a better term the resource database but just out of the box if
[00:39:18.590] you tell it to be something i can see if i was like a baker or something how much knowledge it
[00:39:22.930] has right out of the box where you can just say i want you to be a baker boom put the coat on and
[00:39:28.230] now somebody's talking so i took more time than somebody normally would but i'm glad that i could
[00:39:34.670] take more time it makes it way more impressive cool i'm i'm very happy and uh how long do you
[00:39:40.710] think it took like in general like since you did take more time how long do you think it took like
[00:39:45.170] uh 15 20 minutes maybe i mean not bad not bad that's pretty good well i had things like my
[00:39:53.620] terms and conditions my pricing um it was interesting i actually had a whole pricing
[00:39:59.640] that was up already so it was able to make a pricing sheet and then just throw that into it
[00:40:05.900] so combination of chat gbt and the agencies and existing stuff that i already had so
[00:40:13.480] So we can talk more about some ways, some kind of hiccups that I had, but, you know, it's super solid product.
[00:40:22.740] The UI looks good.
[00:40:24.020] It wasn't hard to find anything.
[00:40:25.580] And I think if I want to commend you on the ability to name or the ability to have thing like the Neuralink is great.
[00:40:34.280] No spoilers, guys.
[00:40:35.480] Go to agencies.co and check it out.
[00:40:38.420] But it has a name or a brand.
[00:40:41.020] It's like you leaned into that 90s hacker.
[00:40:43.480] And I loved it.
[00:40:46.160] Thanks.
[00:40:46.820] I appreciate it.
[00:40:48.160] Cool.
[00:40:49.000] So anything else cool on the horizon you want to drop?
[00:40:51.320] Any predictions you want to do?
[00:40:52.680] I'm going to chop this up and people check out these interviews two, three years later.
[00:40:57.080] People still check out my first ones.
[00:40:59.260] So if you want to put in a time capsule.
[00:41:04.300] Yeah, I think we'll see our first billion dollar company within a year.
[00:41:11.030] All right.
[00:41:11.470] at the time of recording this it's about august 10th 2025 um i should have did that when i made
[00:41:18.390] my predictions which had gbt because they're resurfacing now people are going to think that
[00:41:23.050] i just said it like dude it's august 2025 and ai is going to change the world yeah it's a lot more
[00:41:29.670] impressive when people didn't know what it was but yeah i i think you're right i think that the
[00:41:35.170] solopreneur and i recognize this about a year year and a half ago when i tell people what i do
[00:41:41.050] they don't ask how but if they did it's leveraging ai tools it was always a speed runner but if i
[00:41:49.450] have a specific camera and i need to find it on ebay and that takes me 40 minutes to cross
[00:41:55.310] reference but i can just have an agent give me a list of seven based on different filters
[00:42:00.070] or take it a step further and say look for a description where the person doesn't know what
[00:42:06.270] they're selling they found it in an estate sale or something you know how many lenses are chilling
[00:42:10.470] out there for like 50 because they all look the same people don't know what the numbers mean so
[00:42:15.410] it's like uh running a podcast two businesses and training jujitsu still have time to grow
[00:42:23.490] my stardew valley farm almost every other week so i'm doing it you know i feel it brother i feel it
[00:42:32.350] brother i appreciate being here thank you so much for having me yeah man glad to be connected i'm
[00:42:37.550] going to kill the recording but stick around for one second cool sounds good thank you for listening
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