The Making of 'A Fool's Errand' with Phaze Wun and Tug McRaw - I Will Not Lose Podcast - #0044

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[00:00:56.590] We got to talk about that. I'm fucked up.
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[00:01:06.400] Rolling, rolling.
[00:01:07.280] What's up? What's up, man?
[00:01:08.580] What's going on, Tony?
[00:01:09.180] what's going on it's been a minute man hell yeah it's been a while i don't like either of you
[00:01:13.080] yeah we got phase back in the building phase one legendary producer goat producer and goat mc
[00:01:20.760] yeah yeah but we still had the green screen last time he was here that was a while ago that was
[00:01:27.340] like six seven months ago maybe more probably i don't know but you've been busy since then
[00:01:33.560] been very busy yeah because you had just dropped comp slim 3 or no it was just about i don't even
[00:01:39.960] think you had dropped comp slim 3 no we did that no because i dropped that in um uh what's the six
[00:01:47.080] month may april or june june i can count you guys are still you guys are working on the album for
[00:01:55.000] like two years right yeah i thought i thought it was one until i put up that behind the scenes
[00:01:59.340] posting that thing said two years ago i said oh where you were working on flowers right oh yeah
[00:02:04.300] yeah yeah i'm surprised it took that long i mean it would have been a lot quicker if we weren't
[00:02:11.450] adulting you know having day jobs and right everything else that we got to do i feel the
[00:02:17.570] same way but i say for listen for how rarely we got to be able to get together well we did maybe
[00:02:22.530] not even a session a month i would say no probably not probably not and for for how
[00:02:30.560] seldom we were able to link up i think we got the album done in a decent time yeah because when when
[00:02:37.750] you shared that that post the other day about um two years ago is when we did that song um
[00:02:44.190] like right after then i moved into my house um because we moved in on halloween two years ago
[00:02:53.630] okay so i was in the transition of moving we were already like four or five songs yeah so there was
[00:02:59.130] a there was a big gap in where like i was just down and i think only one or two songs didn't
[00:03:04.930] make the album it was a couple couple yes oh for real i figured there was like 20 tracks it started
[00:03:11.190] with or something no album's like a cool half an hour yeah so there was gonna be more cuts but i
[00:03:17.980] saved a couple there was a couple songs that um i think the both of us felt that the beats weren't
[00:03:24.840] there but we liked we liked the song but it just wasn't the best match and and i just i re
[00:03:31.710] remade a couple of them you gotta you i think you need to redo i got it the remix the beat because
[00:03:37.330] that was fire but it was just you know yeah that that was the song that i already had that you just
[00:03:42.330] jumped on though so that that's not like you know we were just trying shit out so if i work it into
[00:03:47.230] book two then or yeah that's already in the process on his end and then once he uh he digs the
[00:03:54.030] foundation then i'll come in and start putting the stilts up you know i mean that's dope already
[00:03:59.230] already in the making already there's already uh it's already con it's a concept that i'm both
[00:04:03.450] wanting to both concepts so it's already laid out and everything yeah i wanted to get into that some
[00:04:07.570] of the concepts kind of what i took from it ah man i can't even tell you how many times i listened
[00:04:11.790] to this album front to back on shuffle from good morning back it's a it's a great body of work
[00:04:19.290] appreciate that um you were taking it you're back from a break like you kind of opened with that as
[00:04:24.330] far as like solo because i just dropped the album two years ago yeah like two and a half years ago
[00:04:29.490] with nyla shout out nine yeah we dropped a little it was more like an ep it was only six tracks
[00:04:34.130] the 1980s 1936 1936 yep yep and then uh so yeah i mean i don't know how many people were plugged
[00:04:41.750] into the album like i didn't go crazy pushing it hard like that i mean we we recorded we had we
[00:04:47.910] were sitting on that album for over five years oh man and it just wasn't and then she finally
[00:04:52.610] moved to la and i was like that i'm putting this shit out like i've been sitting on it for way too
[00:04:56.670] long me and tug's next one's gonna be 1945
[00:04:59.430] oh lord what a year i see you uh in your post you talk about playing music from older generations
[00:05:10.190] or older time not even playing new stuff so is that where a lot of your inspiration comes from
[00:05:14.850] nah i i if anything that inspires my musicianship like what i play but as far as like the hip-hop
[00:05:23.740] stuff nah that's a i don't think so no fair enough but no i was listening to intro it kind
[00:05:29.900] of opens up you kind of open up saying i i'm back i took too long um sorry for all my negligence
[00:05:37.320] yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah it was it's just a conversation you know how do i want to start
[00:05:42.720] this album i was literally that was the first song we did it was the first song we did yeah
[00:05:46.460] almost in order is that is how i recorded the album almost oh there you go so it was just a
[00:05:52.120] natural progression how do i want to and the last song i did my verse last it took me like two years
[00:05:58.320] to write that a bar you killed it you killed it i was like yo he got all this time he might
[00:06:03.560] outshine me a little bit so you know he deserves it he put a lot of work he he can get on that he
[00:06:07.260] got got off on that but um yeah it was just closed up the album too it was like the whole concept
[00:06:11.700] like you had that line in there about fool's gold you know it's all who knows who and uh it's all
[00:06:16.580] fool's gold and that really hit me like even the title track of fool's errand where you go into
[00:06:21.420] at least the way i grasped it it's kind of like you know you're you're sharpening your skills
[00:06:29.000] trying to be the best the goal is to be put on or to make it whatever the success is you know and
[00:06:34.820] yeah i i took it once uh the the next generation was like yo who cares if you could rap good if
[00:06:42.010] You could just say, yeah, yeah, all over the track and people like it.
[00:06:45.290] And that was like the wave.
[00:06:46.530] It kind of still is.
[00:06:47.750] You know what I mean?
[00:06:48.330] And I was just, I was taken back by that.
[00:06:52.050] Like, oh shit, people are actually agreeing with this?
[00:06:54.430] What have I been doing for the last decade?
[00:06:57.730] Sharpening my steel.
[00:06:58.710] What have I been doing?
[00:06:59.430] It's all just been for naught.
[00:07:01.030] It's been for nothing.
[00:07:02.450] So that's kind of where the album came from.
[00:07:07.970] He was very jaded, very bitter, very upset.
[00:07:12.010] You know what I mean?
[00:07:12.710] And then by the end of the recording, I was like, I can't end it like this, which is also
[00:07:18.250] why the last name of the song is Good Morning, but morning spelled as in a death.
[00:07:22.290] You're mourning something.
[00:07:23.410] I want to leave that shit behind.
[00:07:26.110] And that's why there had to be a book two, which will be the opposite of this one, which
[00:07:30.210] is filled with gratitude and positivity.
[00:07:32.170] I don't know if you did this on purpose with that song or not, but my first album was called
[00:07:37.270] Good Morning like that.
[00:07:38.810] Same way?
[00:07:39.350] Yeah.
[00:07:39.910] Oh.
[00:07:40.810] No.
[00:07:41.010] but it's more beautiful
[00:07:42.310] that it's like that
[00:07:42.990] it's fucking amazing
[00:07:43.930] so it's the last song
[00:07:45.010] but it's my first album
[00:07:46.110] I'm on it
[00:07:46.890] yeah
[00:07:47.210] and I'm talking about
[00:07:48.390] my short journey
[00:07:50.190] in eight bars
[00:07:51.130] synchronicity
[00:07:51.890] I think that's what they call it
[00:07:52.950] synchronicity right
[00:07:53.790] it's crazy
[00:07:54.450] that shit was crazy
[00:07:55.150] but you said
[00:07:55.350] when you opened the verse
[00:07:57.350] you said Tug introduced you to Chain
[00:07:59.010] so you guys
[00:07:59.650] this is the first time
[00:08:00.370] you guys connected on an album
[00:08:01.810] you had that
[00:08:02.610] on a full album
[00:08:03.170] that one sample in there
[00:08:04.390] where you were like
[00:08:04.990] Tug we never connected
[00:08:06.530] on the album
[00:08:07.250] now we connected
[00:08:08.530] on the album
[00:08:09.210] plenty of songs
[00:08:10.030] a lot of studio time with this dude
[00:08:11.670] that's where I heard of you was in the
[00:08:14.230] little 90's style
[00:08:16.050] text I'm trying to think what was the
[00:08:18.110] track where you were in the record store the coloring
[00:08:19.970] was like really yellow
[00:08:20.990] that was the video
[00:08:24.290] he say she say
[00:08:25.070] he say she say
[00:08:26.870] I think I might have recorded that one in New York
[00:08:30.270] in Queens no I think you
[00:08:32.170] recorded that with me because I
[00:08:34.250] had the spot in Whitehall
[00:08:35.750] no no no I recorded that in Queens
[00:08:38.070] shout out Ed Rock he was the DJ
[00:08:39.610] yeah that cut up on the okay that cut up on the drum i got the beat from you yeah yeah because
[00:08:44.790] i had the spot in white hall we had a song like i was like rapping um uh uh not what do you call it
[00:08:53.910] recreationally i was rapping recreationally with like my friends and stuff like that but i was
[00:08:59.090] still doing beats for like tug and i was trying to start up a studio and um we had that beat we
[00:09:05.750] had a song on that beat and um tug really liked it he just did another song on it and i was like
[00:09:11.840] go for it because you know we ain't really putting shit out we're just like rapping for fun and you
[00:09:16.400] shot the video yeah yeah maybe i saw you in the director credits then yeah yeah and i shot the
[00:09:21.820] video too that was one of the first videos i ever shot say word as well that's history that was like
[00:09:28.080] 2009 i don't remember so what made you decide to connect on this one then you come to him with the
[00:09:35.120] No, no, no, no, it was 100% phased.
[00:09:37.500] I wasn't even thinking about it.
[00:09:39.420] I'm like, all right, if I'm going to do another album,
[00:09:42.260] I figured I'm going to do some impossible shit.
[00:09:45.380] Not impossible, I'm going to play guitar and just rhyme the whole album.
[00:09:48.400] Like, nobody's doing that anymore.
[00:09:49.680] If what I focused on my whole life doesn't mean anything,
[00:09:54.240] you know what I mean, then I'm going to switch lanes
[00:09:55.820] and let me get on this joint and show y'all.
[00:09:59.000] It's crazy when you see it live.
[00:10:00.500] If you've ever seen somebody do that live, it's pretty crazy.
[00:10:02.540] but he hit me up like yo uh we're doing an album fuck all right yeah he's gonna take care of
[00:10:09.920] everything he did all he did the majority of the work on i made all the beats he did the album cover
[00:10:14.860] kind of he did he mixed master i did an album cover and then it came down to last minute we
[00:10:21.660] were like what are we doing with the album cover yeah you showed me something completely different
[00:10:26.080] yeah no no no he he played uh when he came over the one he showed you which one i honestly i don't
[00:10:32.220] even remember though the first one was like text it was like a black and white gucci style i do
[00:10:37.040] remember that no i gotta i got partial to this one because i see it on my spotify like it it
[00:10:43.340] paints the the color for the album like right i think i think you've made the right choice
[00:10:48.140] yeah we got this album cover while the last three songs were uploading right that like that's how
[00:10:56.480] last minute it was three seconds left on the clock yeah we got that yeah he had an album cover in
[00:11:01.200] mind that he liked it and i i really wasn't partial to it and then when he sent it to me i was like
[00:11:07.100] dude this is not like the file wasn't big enough like if i stretched it it was gonna be pixelated
[00:11:12.560] and i was like we can't do that we got to do something and he didn't like what i well i mean
[00:11:16.780] he i like he did not like it but i didn't feel like it i said it looks more like a mixtape than
[00:11:21.200] i was gonna say if i had any critique on what i remember of it it felt more like it would go with
[00:11:26.580] devin haley's brand does that make sense maybe like sometimes it takes me a while to to really
[00:11:33.000] figure out um an artist's um aesthetic so it's gonna take over over time trying different things
[00:11:42.320] until what fits them but you nailed it because this reminds me kind of of the styling of the
[00:11:47.600] the language arts volume two when you're with the surgeon and stuff like that i've been had that
[00:11:53.320] forte for a lot of my work
[00:11:55.160] there's a lot of book related stuff
[00:11:57.320] just the artwork
[00:11:58.340] I think that style
[00:12:01.600] of like that the dark colors
[00:12:03.460] the shading the way that it is
[00:12:05.420] I mean it looks cohesive
[00:12:07.000] it looks dope but I wanted
[00:12:09.380] to get into that intro
[00:12:11.320] with the instrumental break
[00:12:12.820] and then the guitar solo
[00:12:14.800] then you bring the piano back in
[00:12:17.120] I was ex-invase he's like
[00:12:19.080] sounds like you need to be walking with spurs
[00:12:21.220] into a saloon or some shit for that uh but then you have the sample about don't quit it's like
[00:12:29.930] is it worth doing any good yeah i didn't write the exact sample down but no no for sure that
[00:12:34.650] that kind of set the tone for the album exactly that's why i had to go in there i've been sitting
[00:12:40.290] on that sample as well for for years and i was like this is exactly how i feel every time i'm
[00:12:46.710] starting an album and i was gonna put it in my last album but it just didn't fit it didn't fit
[00:12:51.890] in the the bacon and eggs anywhere i tried to i literally tried to fit it in there but it didn't
[00:12:57.010] work um yeah and also on that the background beat to where that sample is is a reflip of a sample
[00:13:04.950] that we the very first song we did together so the other synchronicity is on the intro i reflipped
[00:13:14.030] the sample uh that that we did our first song together and then on the outro he used my first
[00:13:20.370] album's name inadvertently that's crazy so that's wild it's that binary and he didn't even realize
[00:13:26.810] the sample until like yeah he was like yo is this this is the slow joint oh shit that's crazy
[00:13:34.590] that's wild so i got into um i that's the next thing i wanted to talk about was kind of you
[00:13:42.560] guys's history how you guys connected um just a story you told a little bit about connecting
[00:13:48.560] with chain and then creating that legacy yeah well over there how we first connected was actually
[00:13:53.580] through myspace myspace because i was um i was in in college at full sail and myspace was getting
[00:14:00.500] big and i only stood a year down there in orlando so you know i'm paying attention to what's going
[00:14:06.820] on in the hometown and stuff and artists and then i found i came across tug i was like oh your music's
[00:14:11.560] dope i like it you know i'm coming back home at some point in time so let's link when i get back
[00:14:17.800] into town and i think you sent me some tracks probably because you know i gotta hit hit first
[00:14:23.400] yeah past the vibe check i was like all right yeah we'll let you go when you get back it was
[00:14:27.720] it was dope i was like all right and that first track we did yeah from there and then and then
[00:14:33.090] yeah i was like all right you're gonna need some i think i linked you up with with cheney because
[00:14:37.530] he had the studio yeah because i had the i just the place in whitehall under my dad's shop that
[00:14:42.750] i was trying to build up and he was like oh i know i know this guy who has you know more stuff he's
[00:14:48.150] been doing in a long time maybe link up with him he'll he'll help you out i just connected the dots
[00:14:52.590] that's all that's how you got to do it that vibe check is important you know what i mean it sounds
[00:14:58.540] so it sounds so cohesive the different like uh the one sample where you it's not a sample you
[00:15:05.360] straight up left in the original raw audio where you're like okay i'm definitely gonna redo that
[00:15:11.040] and the song just like cuts out and goes to the next track or whatever even yeah uneven yeah that's
[00:15:15.900] what it was an uneven uh that was real that wasn't acting that's how and we he was just like no we're
[00:15:21.240] keeping it like that all right whatever you say producer man and you started off with one of those
[00:15:26.480] like um because that's done a lot in hip-hop where it's like you'll start off saying something
[00:15:31.320] they say leave that in or whatever yeah you did that but without saying leave it in i was like
[00:15:36.640] all right that's perfect spit the verse cut out from there um i just feel like doing stuff like
[00:15:44.420] that like brings it brings the listener into the world the process and yeah into the world of the
[00:15:50.420] album like you feel included like you're in the room with them well you do a good job of that on
[00:15:56.600] all your projects because it's like how many people put out albums you don't even know who
[00:16:02.200] the producer is right they got a couple beats from over here they did this they made track number four
[00:16:07.380] and they put the compilation together you know there's nothing wrong with that but you could
[00:16:11.920] really feel that process so that's cool yeah it keeps everything cohesive like so many people's
[00:16:18.880] projects just sound like thrown thrown together and you get different qualities and different
[00:16:26.010] like a whole different sound from like song to song on a lot of people's especially local albums
[00:16:31.070] and it's like what this doesn't feel cohesive so well i don't know it's all the it's all the
[00:16:41.140] fool's errand right at least as far as book one is concerned you're talking specifically about
[00:16:46.420] rap and the whole i think it's specifically about rap and the the i don't want to say the newer form
[00:16:52.760] rap but it's kind of evolved into like tiktok and viral stuff like it's i mean even with podcasting
[00:16:59.760] people are going to see clips from this and they're not going to go and watch the whole episode
[00:17:03.360] six seconds cool that's what they said yeah that's cool it happened that's also why i every song is
[00:17:12.880] like not even three minutes on this project i didn't even notice that that makes sense though
[00:17:17.800] yeah it's easy to listen to yeah yeah the the time uh i don't know what the word is time the
[00:17:25.510] time horizons for songs anymore attention span yeah the the span has shortened over the past
[00:17:32.290] i don't know hey we used to do three 16s three yeah mandatory every single song that was like
[00:17:38.210] that was the format that was the recipe yeah i said you wanted them old songs we did back in the
[00:17:42.350] day the your bitch chose me john and you i think you had three verses on that and i listened to
[00:17:47.110] that and i was like dude you got another verse to be over dude yeah i'll tell you what it makes
[00:17:52.990] my job a lot easier shit i don't even gotta write 16 i think that there might i think there might be
[00:17:56.730] a 12 bar verse on this new album i might just said fuck it that's it that's it that's all i need
[00:18:01.470] fuck all that i'm here's eight bars there you go take that with you yeah if something's not
[00:18:07.470] happening with the with the beat or the track's not moving yeah if it's not shifting up if it's
[00:18:14.310] not proceeding in a way that's interesting to the listener they're like what is going on like i just
[00:18:19.010] listened to um i don't know if you guys listened to uh the the new west side gun i haven't heard
[00:18:24.370] yet and it's like um it's good like the beats are good but then it's like six minute songs where
[00:18:31.820] the beat doesn't change at all and there's like five dudes on it and you're just like
[00:18:35.780] i mean that could work if it's done right because wu-tang did that shit all the time
[00:18:40.650] as long as you get a new voice that's the thing that changes up is is the rapper type shit but
[00:18:45.530] no i hear what you're saying i hear what you're saying it just gets um listening intense intensive
[00:18:50.590] gonna have to check it out maybe that's just something that maybe is meant to throw on
[00:18:55.250] i don't know like music has a some some of it feels better in hoodie season some of it feels
[00:19:02.520] better in the car sometimes it's like all right when i'm with my boys i just want to throw on
[00:19:06.720] something yeah when you're out when you're out at the club you don't want to listen to my shit
[00:19:10.400] see that shit that makes a female magic corner pocket coming on in the club what is this
[00:19:17.600] yeah no everything does have its purpose um but i'm not judging it that way i'm just judging
[00:19:25.610] from a general perspective of listening you know so if you're not making something that that's
[00:19:36.470] as i not aesthetically entertaining but something to keep people involved throughout it has
[00:19:42.460] multiple dimensions it has multiple levels it's not just a drum kick bass line and for three
[00:19:48.080] minutes yeah but i wanted to get into some lyrics it's funny you have a ton of great features
[00:19:55.160] awesome features on this album i think they were well selected it hit the flow very well
[00:20:00.000] um but you had uh down the rabbit hole deeper than the catacombs this is a one-man journey son
[00:20:06.800] you'll be mad alone that was this album is full with bars like that where it's like
[00:20:14.590] i don't know if you're mad at yourself puzzles you're kind of like questioning
[00:20:18.800] there's a lot of like questioning going on yeah i mean that's the whole mentality of a
[00:20:23.820] fool's errand is realizing you've been on a fool's errand and then the contemplation that
[00:20:28.420] goes on thereafter that's what this basically this whole fucking album not the whole album but
[00:20:32.560] majority of the album for sure for sure for sure well done it's a very one-sided yeah perspective
[00:20:39.880] but it works out because like i feel the same way too as a producer and being into rap the whole
[00:20:47.040] time like we go through our uh at all lives like chasing this dream and then you like you find out
[00:20:55.600] that um most of the rappers that are on have like an uncle who's like the ceo and shit and you're
[00:21:01.040] nepotism yeah i didn't realize there was nepotism in hip-hop you find out all these things and
[00:21:06.800] you're like oh okay so it was never really it was probably not really possible ever but again that's
[00:21:14.300] why book two has to be made because i can't end say it might be my last time i can't end on that
[00:21:19.760] note yeah so i had it's gonna end with happiness gratitude book two it's felt like that was the
[00:21:26.740] transformation and body rot you had like uh oh at the end you mean no well you you had said i think
[00:21:34.240] you said i think i'm coming off kind of depressing i think that was in that yeah yeah yeah you know
[00:21:38.840] what i mean and it was kind of like switching it was like okay i'm gonna i get it you're tired of
[00:21:43.400] hearing me complain i i get it yeah yeah but i'm gonna do this i'm gonna do this and so that's a
[00:21:51.520] crazy metaphor body right that ain't even till i die like you die your body's still there it's
[00:21:56.140] And at the very end of that song, with his production, he puts in a glimmer of hope right at the end.
[00:22:03.920] If you listen to the song, there's a nice little glimmer of hope right at the very end, production-wise.
[00:22:09.080] Yeah, there's a little bit of light at the end of the tunnel.
[00:22:11.000] Yeah, a little bit, yeah.
[00:22:12.460] I have to check that out.
[00:22:13.420] That changed a bit, too.
[00:22:14.880] You played that for me.
[00:22:17.140] You played an earlier version of Body Rot.
[00:22:19.280] I think so, during, yeah, or after our first interview.
[00:22:23.100] Yeah, that was when you showed me the cover.
[00:22:25.160] so that's crazy I can't imagine how many different versions everything went through and it's still
[00:22:30.380] probably to the point where you listen to it now and you're like oh man I wanted to do this or
[00:22:34.400] switch this or are you completely satisfied um I'm never fully completely satisfied but that's
[00:22:41.860] what keeps an artist going yeah I mean that's what keeps me all these years later still going
[00:22:46.240] back to the studio but I'm I'm very satisfied I'm completely satisfied with with it as a whole
[00:22:52.160] as as a project you know what i mean i think it came out great like that i think it's
[00:22:56.580] maybe as far as like concept it's probably my most complete album ever as far as concept i agree
[00:23:05.360] that's what i wanted to do for a time too like mature because we've we've been we've been um
[00:23:09.980] friends of musical friends for a long time and and he's put out projects where i'm like
[00:23:14.840] i wish i was involved and i just wasn't um and um i was like he he needs he needs a project with
[00:23:24.540] one producer he's that he's that type of artist and i feel like i could do that for him so before
[00:23:30.880] before our time is up we need we need to do it well we got one more on deck buddy there you go
[00:23:38.100] i thought that um this is like the hit boy naz naz shit no you think about i mean naz dropped
[00:23:45.470] an album with kanye that's the thing it doesn't always work you can't just say let me take the
[00:23:50.190] best producer the best lyricist and now it's going to be crazy like so yeah this didn't happen
[00:23:56.010] overnight this took years and years to get to this point for me and him working together
[00:24:00.790] you know we i shit it it took me years just to be able to give up control over certain things
[00:24:07.230] musically you know what i mean there's certain things like nah i don't know you got to keep
[00:24:11.450] this in and me you did all your mixing for a while too right i did everything for a while
[00:24:16.430] and i had no choice you know yeah i have that problem too that's why i do so much so many things
[00:24:21.510] but you know um work working with different artists over over the course of time like you
[00:24:28.070] just learn to like try to push where you can where you feel things should be and then you know
[00:24:34.230] your artists also have their perspective yeah there's psychology that goes into being able to
[00:24:38.630] deal with people especially artists yeah yeah the worst and i know because i'm an artist too so like
[00:24:44.930] i know like when somebody like critiques what i've done that i really love and they're like
[00:24:50.310] oh maybe do it red and i'm like no that'll fuck everything up so i understand it as an insult i
[00:24:58.230] try not to push too much and we try to like um come to an agreement yeah yeah so yeah it gets
[00:25:07.220] it gets um if it's third quarter we're down 15 maybe i need to sit the bench and let him
[00:25:11.500] yeah that's kind of that's kind of yeah that's kind of what happened towards towards the end
[00:25:16.680] we're like we're never gonna stop like doing different renditions of things like i need to
[00:25:23.560] cut myself off put put a date on it like we need to have it done by then yeah and and it literally
[00:25:29.660] like you said it came down to to the last second side of shot clock and then friday the 13th yeah
[00:25:34.900] so you picked that as the date and then got everything done for it by then yeah he told me
[00:25:39.480] i need it what'd you say tuesdays and fridays or something he told me you need to pick one of these
[00:25:44.780] days yeah so i just went down i was like oh yeah fridays for for like spotify and stuff you get
[00:25:50.760] you have like a better chance of like landing on playlists or something so we just picked whatever
[00:25:55.640] the next friday was and um put it for that that works man some of my other favorite lyrics uh
[00:26:04.280] school of hard knocks but now it's like i'm back from college gotta ease up this was in uh flowers
[00:26:10.920] where this is a this is a really important track for the album okay because you're talking about
[00:26:20.240] So essentially from what I took it, like relaxing, enjoying life, not making it so much about being top five alive.
[00:26:32.600] You know what I mean?
[00:26:33.320] Like there was a lot of, like you said, rhyming is my silver lining, but also spending time with the family, spending time with the daughter, my boys when I go out.
[00:26:43.660] The song was more like, it is kind of like a breather from the album, but it was more like me highlighting the fact that I know I'm allowed to deal with in my personal life.
[00:26:58.280] I could be fucking stupid sometimes.
[00:27:00.660] I could be, I might black out out the bar and you're gonna have to drag me out that bitch.
[00:27:04.560] Like I might, I'm not easy to deal with.
[00:27:06.280] I mean, I think I am, but I'm being an extremist on the, on the topic and just given, you know,
[00:27:12.280] given the people in my life, they flowers.
[00:27:14.580] I, it's an appreciation song for my shortcomings and the people that deal with me.
[00:27:20.360] So that's awesome.
[00:27:22.420] It's awesome.
[00:27:23.380] Yeah.
[00:27:23.840] I took it as a, I took it as like a pressure, even like in the chorus that's a, you know,
[00:27:29.730] take the time to stop and smell your flowers.
[00:27:31.790] I mean, I literally, I was listening to that.
[00:27:35.550] I gave it another playthrough as I was taking my notes.
[00:27:38.810] Before then, I was just kind of listening and formulating.
[00:27:41.090] But this time when I hit it, it's like, dude, I'm appreciative of a lot of shit.
[00:27:47.870] Like, this is crazy.
[00:27:49.370] Yeah.
[00:27:49.650] This is...
[00:27:50.330] And how often do we take our time out to show that appreciation, to show that gratitude?
[00:27:55.350] Probably not as much as we should.
[00:27:57.270] So I dedicated a song to it.
[00:27:59.410] There you go.
[00:28:00.450] Now it's in there forever.
[00:28:02.590] We got another Tug and King Mag track.
[00:28:05.470] Okay.
[00:28:05.910] you guys are no stranger to working with each other working with each other so that was cool
[00:28:11.550] you guys were you guys in the studio or do you send verses um no that one we sent verses i got
[00:28:17.910] on the track for his project i don't know what he's gonna use it on i i went out to see him
[00:28:22.470] you know but this one yeah this one no no this one i was there for his verse in his studio
[00:28:28.270] and then i had to do my i did mine separately but uh yeah it was mandatory you know we've been we've
[00:28:34.980] been getting on each other's projects for for years now since back when you had pen and paper
[00:28:40.320] that was yeah that like nobody writes nobody writes writes their verses anymore nobody has
[00:28:46.800] like a fucking notepad and shout out king magnetic all of my any somewhat big features or or songs
[00:28:53.340] that i had with with people that have names all been through king magnetic all of them so shout
[00:28:59.310] out you my guy uh trifecta with joel ortiz comes to mind for instance yeah yeah yeah i bet you if
[00:29:07.870] we threw that verse if you gave me just the first part of it i could probably spit that whole verse
[00:29:12.510] uh i throw that on every now and then nice i remember how it ends with uh shows over lower
[00:29:17.910] the lights good anchor i never had a chance to work with mag either so it's like we've been with
[00:29:24.170] me and mag have oh that was the first time he ever got on one of your beats yeah yeah
[00:29:27.610] so so that was cool too so because i know i know mag makes beats too so he doesn't typically just
[00:29:33.990] hop on other people's shit yeah i'm glad we can make that happen there was a one line and i wanted
[00:29:41.060] to go back to body rap for a second but you had uh kind of ended uh considered to be a shoo-in
[00:29:47.340] but life had other plans i'm still in the boulevard a heart full of regret pockets full of
[00:29:53.660] hard yeah like it's viagra do you regret yeah right in your world it is face oh shit um do you
[00:30:06.900] have regrets for i mean the fool contemplates the errand do you have regrets for the stuff that you
[00:30:14.340] like spending all the time i mean i know of course i mean of course i could be in a whole
[00:30:20.260] different place in life if i did different things when i was a teenager but i promise you you
[00:30:26.240] wouldn't have a song like body rock you wouldn't have an album like this so you know it's give and
[00:30:30.420] take it's give and take because if i would have stayed off the block and went to college you know
[00:30:37.010] i'm saying trust me my i it my song everything would be different but yeah it's hard to say man
[00:30:42.630] it's hard to say because it helped build my character too you know that's why he would have
[00:30:46.210] been sitting next to the guy who he made the album for yeah you never know probably like this guy
[00:30:50.510] that's why it's hard to it's hard to regret shit man yeah it's hard to regret stuff yeah
[00:30:56.230] the title track you really let it all out on the fool's errand that was an interesting placement
[00:31:04.500] to not have it like right early in the beginning you know um i mean just the name of the album you
[00:31:12.830] can kind of get the concept but it's how that concept applies to you personally and how it did
[00:31:19.330] where you know you're thankful for what music gave to you for the character like just even
[00:31:27.190] therapy it seems like a release you had said said that in a couple tracks where it's like you know
[00:31:34.290] um get on the mic and just shoot the shit that was a i can't remember which track that's from but
[00:31:43.400] you've said a lot in your music that this is something that kind of keeps you sane
[00:31:48.920] there no no that's true it's true you know everybody has a thing what they do and at this
[00:31:54.960] point i mean it might sound weird like i'm not i don't do this to be famous for money i don't do
[00:32:00.980] this for pats on the back no more my main reason is self-therapy type type shit i still do it for
[00:32:07.740] passing the back i need passing the back he needs to pass and then when too many people start doing
[00:32:13.060] it i'm like ah get away from me i need people to not like me again let's now we need some
[00:32:17.940] controversy but i also hope that that uh that comes through during the music and that might
[00:32:24.120] reach people more than say other stuff you know what i mean like i hope people can also appreciate
[00:32:30.720] that when they hear the album like yo this is real this is sincere you know what i mean i believe
[00:32:36.080] what he's saying i feel this type shit so well i don't know you guys know the numbers but i don't
[00:32:42.500] know how much of it is like brand new listeners versus like i mean i can't imagine somebody
[00:32:48.060] coming into a fool's errand and then going back like i'd be almost jealous to have the whole back
[00:32:55.690] catalog to be able to dig through and and kind of see where that growth comes from because there
[00:33:00.870] was a lot of people not a lot of people but i did see people say like where's the where's the bars
[00:33:07.270] like where's the oh like metaphors and stuff yeah just the the lyricism like i can't think of a
[00:33:14.370] track for an example yeah i don't know it's kind of um one thing i did with this album i didn't
[00:33:20.770] get beats from him and then go home and write to them and perfect them you know i mean that's
[00:33:25.010] what i did for every album i'm gonna ponder on this and that's also like what comes from
[00:33:30.930] you can hear that in the buchowski song where the the sample comes on and he's talking about
[00:33:34.930] i'm not trying to fiddle with my i don't care about the old i didn't try to be acrobat
[00:33:40.930] i wasn't trying to be flashy and lyrical miracle spiritual bullshit i went in the fucking studio
[00:33:46.130] and every single song he was making the beat and i just right right there whatever comes to mind i
[00:33:51.050] didn't have time to revise anything i didn't have time to fix anything i just went in there and just
[00:33:55.950] said what was on my heart and my mind at the time and that's the song and if you're and that's the
[00:34:01.730] song and if you're coming from your heart and your mind your heart and your mind doesn't think
[00:34:04.890] lyrical miracle spiritual bullshit you just come out you just start saying shit that's that's that's
[00:34:09.410] why my verse took so long yeah because you were doing all that fancy shit i was doing that and
[00:34:14.330] he had the song done you know for a long time before i was like i need to get on that but
[00:34:18.410] there was that gap in between his verses and i knew what i wanted to do with it which was i wanted
[00:34:24.050] to rhyme off of his last line and also come back in to his first line of the second verse so that's
[00:34:30.540] what kind of made me take so long because i needed to fit it in there in the right way and i didn't
[00:34:37.600] know if i wanted to tell the story that i told or if i just wanted to like just just be nice
[00:34:44.260] so you know what once that yeah once once the album was done i was like no i have to tell the
[00:34:50.890] story i have to go back to my original plan which was to tell my yeah story in eight bars like you
[00:34:56.890] said uh doing it for 10 years for people to be not moving the same right yeah you summed up the
[00:35:04.380] whole fool's errand in a in a single verse at the end that was dope and that is him on the vocals
[00:35:10.100] at the very end yeah yeah no no i mean like the singing vocals at the very end of good morning
[00:35:16.130] you're singing at the end yeah it cuts out for a second and then it comes back with like a almost
[00:35:23.470] like a kid cuddy type instrumentation yeah the guitar yeah the guitar that's tug playing a guitar
[00:35:28.330] and i did like little humming on it oh does it have auto-tune on it oh yeah for sure okay i do
[00:35:35.040] remember that part now yeah i do remember okay and the guitar solo that you think is a guitar
[00:35:40.360] solo on the intro is also me on the keys playing no it's my voice yeah oh shit i didn't even know
[00:35:47.160] that yeah what yeah how does that happen you just play around with stuff pause that's wild
[00:35:55.020] that's wild oh man uh i have that sample in uneven i mean that pretty much runs through the whole
[00:36:06.840] album we could play some music we could just get into um some of the other stuff i don't know if
[00:36:13.090] there was anything what's going to connect with my listeners is the idea especially book two where
[00:36:19.430] you know it's about your success learn from failure so or reframing failure that's a big
[00:36:26.570] concept on the show like yeah right reframing success reframing failure that's good because
[00:36:33.170] i wanted i actually did want to bring that up too because i get this a lot i don't know if you do
[00:36:37.570] is when um um other people try to comment on your so so-called music career and then they go oh if
[00:36:47.350] you're so nice why aren't you rich and famous yet and stuff like that and it's like i mean maybe at
[00:36:53.310] one point we were attempting to go for that but it comes to a point where you become content in
[00:36:59.470] what you have achieved and you're like do i you look at the people who are rich and famous for
[00:37:04.910] music and then you look at how their lives have gone and you're like it doesn't seem like a doesn't
[00:37:10.770] seem like a great life and my life's pretty good so you know i'm happy with what i've done yeah i
[00:37:17.270] don't really get the people saying if you're so nice why don't you make it i get the why why
[00:37:22.950] haven't you make it that makes no sense and i'm like it's so frustrating when somebody asks me
[00:37:27.970] that like i don't know you told me well why don't you do we'll fucking be my manager then how about
[00:37:32.870] that yeah i'm taking applications for managers what's good there you go right yeah there's way
[00:37:38.850] too many rappers not enough managers and and that that has been a problem in the in the local scene
[00:37:45.550] a long time for a long time is that everybody wants to be the man but they don't want to get
[00:37:51.670] behind someone and help them in ways that they need and that's what i've always tried to do
[00:37:56.610] which is why i produce and i engineer and i've shot tug shot videos i shot videos and um shit
[00:38:02.530] i stopped rapping picked up a guitar yeah i was a guitar player for a singer for years
[00:38:06.890] yeah yeah for for not a girl who sang on flowers i was like a guitar player
[00:38:13.180] that's super dope and do shows that's super dope i might did you ever post any of that or yeah
[00:38:20.600] I posted some stuff
[00:38:22.440] and some clips
[00:38:23.000] but you know
[00:38:23.580] I'm not everyday
[00:38:24.840] yeah that's hard
[00:38:26.340] on social media
[00:38:27.060] it's too much to deal with
[00:38:28.220] I just
[00:38:28.540] but every now and then
[00:38:29.480] you know what I mean
[00:38:30.380] Tug's just an old school
[00:38:31.780] underground rapper
[00:38:33.300] I'm just like
[00:38:33.960] yo get off my lawn
[00:38:34.860] son
[00:38:35.240] get off my lawn
[00:38:36.480] what you need to do
[00:38:37.360] is get on TikTok
[00:38:38.180] with that guitar
[00:38:39.220] and uh
[00:38:39.920] nah
[00:38:40.380] yeah nah
[00:38:40.960] I do have a TikTok
[00:38:42.320] and I posted like
[00:38:43.460] one or two things
[00:38:44.140] but again
[00:38:44.500] it's so many to
[00:38:45.300] to juggle with
[00:38:46.220] like
[00:38:46.520] yeah
[00:38:46.980] I would love to
[00:38:47.940] I would love
[00:38:48.460] and I
[00:38:49.500] you're right
[00:38:50.340] that's what you gotta do but i would love to get to the point where i could just have somebody do
[00:38:54.200] that shit for me like go ahead here you have control i'm pretty sure my music page probably
[00:38:58.420] still has a couple administ people who are allowed to do shit on my page that i just completely
[00:39:03.960] fucking forgot about could be you need a it's like a it's like a paywall though like you can
[00:39:09.520] have you could post and you could put stuff out but if you really want stuff to go viral like
[00:39:14.480] it's money yeah and i don't know tiktok's algorithm like that but with everything else
[00:39:19.060] that i've worked with it's better it's better i'm not on tiktok but the algorithm is better than
[00:39:23.960] instagram like i had that problem too like with with everything i have the same problem like
[00:39:28.680] i start doing these things and then the uh it's just diminishing returns and engagement and then
[00:39:35.540] you're like what am i doing this still for and so it happened with videos it happened with
[00:39:40.260] rapping it happened with um uh uh uh instagram and photography photography and it's just like
[00:39:49.320] when when you first started when tiktok or not tiktok like instagram first started
[00:39:55.000] people start following you for they like your pictures or whatever you're posting
[00:39:59.460] and then eventually your content starts to get better but i didn't get like a new follower for
[00:40:09.000] like two years like even though the content is progressing in a better way like yeah it has
[00:40:15.460] nothing to do with the content right i've had something go viral on instagram that had like
[00:40:21.060] 100 views on youtube like it's how do i have 33 000 over here for the same piece of content didn't
[00:40:29.100] do nothing different descriptions the same yeah and i hate that shit like why do we why can't we
[00:40:33.740] just focus on what matters it's fucking music right like i just want to get drunk and go fishing
[00:40:38.560] and make music for people that like my music that's all i want to do it was the same thing
[00:40:43.780] with videos like when when we were doing started doing videos in like 2009 2010 and everybody
[00:40:49.960] wanted to do or at least attempt to do like these elaborate videos and have uh you know multiple
[00:40:56.080] locations and a storyline and all this type of stuff and video girls no and then it's like you
[00:41:02.320] do all this stuff and then youtube's cutting your organic views down by 90 so you know back when
[00:41:10.760] when um when music videos were really a pretty popular thing we would easily get at least a
[00:41:18.160] thousand views if not between one thousand and five to ten yeah dependent depending yeah like
[00:41:25.630] with like no paying just organically people watching a video yeah so once like the i don't
[00:41:33.570] know 2017 or something like 16 17 it they literally just like turned the spigot off
[00:41:40.670] and i was telling everyone like dude like videos ain't it no more you need to just click go live
[00:41:47.510] on your phone fuck doing shows what are you doing shows for like you you waste your whole day
[00:41:55.030] like preparing and trying to get people to come and then 10 people come if that and
[00:42:03.370] you're upset you could just hit go live and at least double we'll watch you'll at least get 20
[00:42:12.500] views yeah instead of 10 so just perform on live you could do that and with with the videos
[00:42:22.140] i just started doing one location video we just set the camera up we perform the song i don't
[00:42:27.440] gotta edit shit that's the video yeah just find a nice location that looks decent do your song
[00:42:34.840] there's your video walking around with the camera inside the house spitting into the camera yeah
[00:42:41.350] now those videos are tight though it just gives you some sort of visual it gives you something
[00:42:47.310] else that was like uh shit was that 2009 when did you do the video for like nobody
[00:42:56.690] oh shit um i might have been no i think it might have been a little earlier maybe
[00:43:02.280] 2008 i mean you could we could check it real quick but uh yeah that was i did that i shot
[00:43:07.840] that one myself and that was so old i think it was before uh dear solage dropped yeah because
[00:43:14.580] you started fucking with champ and yeah champ yeah that was back i think he started he started
[00:43:20.960] probably around 2006-7 a little bit before that because he shot my video with jinx uh with the
[00:43:26.880] when truth attacks video in 2006 i'm pretty sure i was the only motherfucker out here with a music
[00:43:31.160] video at the time yeah like the first um i could be wrong but uh yeah and then he used to take me
[00:43:38.040] on jobs because i i was on uh i ended up having to move up the block for him and uh i couldn't
[00:43:45.860] really long story short i wasn't able to leave the house um so he i would go and he would show
[00:43:54.880] me i was editing stuff and and he put me on he'd take me to jobs with him after i got off for that
[00:43:59.160] situation take me to jobs with him he made me the cameraman he taught me how to chop it up edit he
[00:44:04.080] He just took me under his wing back in the day.
[00:44:06.960] And then that's how it started from there.
[00:44:08.220] Yeah, that Like Nobody video was shot with a JVC little handheld thing like this big.
[00:44:13.200] Yeah.
[00:44:13.860] Just walking around, walking around the town with that thing.
[00:44:17.000] That was like, I think that's when 1080 first was available to the public for like public consumption.
[00:44:24.640] Was that in 1080?
[00:44:26.080] 720 HD was a thing.
[00:44:28.120] Yeah, I thought the video had to be in 720.
[00:44:30.720] We were like, oh, it's in HD.
[00:44:32.700] That's all we cared about.
[00:44:33.620] yeah sd everything was sd before that yeah yeah that's wild but man all those different travels
[00:44:39.520] that you take on like creating just being a creator in general you know what i mean to
[00:44:44.720] i had to stop last week and just look at like even what i created with the show i'm like
[00:44:49.640] damn i'm a hell of a hobbyist i get i get uh i get sucked into stuff yeah you didn't
[00:44:57.880] investing in this for nothing yeah waiting on some uh some equipment to come in but i don't
[00:45:05.060] know if we do play any music you want to play good morning whatever you want to play we aren't
[00:45:11.720] we on your show right now you're gonna have to use one of your uh phones though because mine's
[00:45:15.460] recording oh you can use my crack screen if you want word what's your favorite track of the album
[00:45:23.810] uh bounces like i like body rot a lot but i can't play body rat all the time like when i'm in the
[00:45:34.400] shower in the morning and stuff but for the most part i like it as a whole i listen to it when i'm
[00:45:41.080] designing and i throw stuff in i love the beat on intro corner pockets one of my craziest but it's
[00:45:47.880] like uh that's a fun that's a fun song that's what i would say it's like a fun song like it's not
[00:45:53.680] like you you don't put it in there to uh shout out these skills these skills yeah definitely
[00:46:02.140] he surprised me on that i didn't look i don't read the track list before i do i just throw an
[00:46:06.900] album and go on from there so i was like oh shit and then he matched your flow where you guys kind
[00:46:11.180] of did the stop and go i don't know what to call it but all the og bethamites no no d skills yeah
[00:46:17.460] Now that you now that you say it, I think it makes more sense that all the tracks are under three minutes because I can't think of like I know the chorus for flowers and I know the chorus for wise is the man that knows he knows nothing.
[00:46:35.260] Yeah, that's an interesting quote that goes, you know, my listeners can definitely relate with that as well, too, because people think success is like this place that you get to.
[00:46:47.680] and you get there, and you're like, shit, I'm not there.
[00:46:52.580] What the fuck?
[00:46:53.760] Fun fact, that wasn't even the original beat for that song.
[00:46:57.790] No?
[00:46:58.070] I rapped over the whole totally different beat.
[00:46:59.670] There's a few songs on there that he went and said, fuck this beat,
[00:47:02.730] and made it better, and produced the whole song underneath my lyrics
[00:47:05.930] that I already recorded to something different.
[00:47:08.250] That's one of them.
[00:47:09.730] That's wild.
[00:47:11.130] That's wild.
[00:47:11.750] Do you guys have any behind the scenes?
[00:47:14.430] Do you have any besides the, I saw you post the flowers,
[00:47:17.970] making but not besides um what he posted and then l money did the the one little teaser for us um
[00:47:25.930] i didn't see that that was about it yeah it's on my it's on my ig it's when uh it was right before
[00:47:31.270] i started recording the bukowski track that was and that was supposed to be honestly bukowski
[00:47:37.330] actually was just going to be called interlude i just recorded it as an interlude one verse until
[00:47:42.970] So he put, he started, I think around that time in the middle of the album, he started
[00:47:47.510] understanding truly where I was going with the album.
[00:47:50.310] And he found that passage from Charles Bukowski, the American poet.
[00:47:55.390] And I didn't even know about Bukowski.
[00:47:56.970] I heard of the name, but he put it on.
[00:47:58.950] I said, yo, that shit is perfect.
[00:48:00.550] That's great.
[00:48:01.210] Like this is, this is perfect.
[00:48:03.590] And then I looked up Charles Bukowski and I started learning.
[00:48:06.370] I went down that rabbit hole and I was like, okay, he's like stoicism.
[00:48:10.590] What are they called?
[00:48:11.270] Stoicism.
[00:48:11.810] Stoicism.
[00:48:12.310] Yeah.
[00:48:12.970] and i was like this is this is the falls in line with the album and i said fuck it i'm just gonna
[00:48:16.970] call this track bukowski now instead of interlude which was boring shit but yeah right yeah that's
[00:48:23.050] wild no you're putting me on i didn't know about bukowski yeah there's a lot of shit like like
[00:48:27.410] next album we should definitely do more um behind the scenes footage and documenting you have to um
[00:48:34.710] it'll be good because this is gonna be a happy album so there'll be a lot more smiles than ice
[00:48:40.830] grills no but so for a long time we had like the bone the bones of the album and and tugs like what
[00:48:47.450] are we gonna do with this song what are we gonna do with that song like they like it they're just
[00:48:51.550] like unfinished i'm like you just just wait just give me some time save it i yeah because like to
[00:48:57.830] find to find like the bukowski thing like i have to go through and listen to a bunch of different
[00:49:06.320] things until that one thing strikes you was that the actual poet's voice or was that somebody just
[00:49:11.340] no yeah that was him from an interview oh shit okay see i don't need i'm learning stuff about
[00:49:15.420] that i'm still yeah right that's wild yeah so well we're talking about it you want to throw
[00:49:19.940] so we could keep the listeners engaged with what we got going on so you could talk over it but uh
[00:49:27.660] for the most part i think our mics are going to be muted for this part that's fine you're one two
[00:49:33.220] check check especially for your life
[00:49:54.730] I'll take it from here, come follow my lead
[00:49:57.040] I do it all for the love, not for power and greed
[00:49:59.840] Somebody tell me why the good never make it
[00:50:02.220] It's a science project, stuck in a trap
[00:50:04.240] Most never escape it, my first felony at 17
[00:50:07.480] What the fuck is going on, life is but a dream
[00:50:10.500] Through the smiles and frowns, around and around we go
[00:50:14.300] Till we six feet under and down we go
[00:50:17.240] Of course by hellfire and set me free
[00:50:20.320] Ashes to ashes and let me be
[00:50:22.960] If it wasn't for Nia, shit, I might have bust my flame.
[00:50:26.180] But her love was so big, it obstructs my aim.
[00:50:29.220] More riches and peace for all kids in the street.
[00:50:31.760] We all want the penthouse, but we're living beneath.
[00:50:34.840] Pick it for your mom, dude.
[00:50:36.360] We'll check the check.
[00:50:37.500] Those beats are more for the yeah rappers that just say yeah on the track.
[00:50:41.460] Those complicated beats cover up their lack of wordplay.
[00:50:45.340] So it fits better with that.
[00:50:47.240] Shout out to the yeah rappers.
[00:50:49.100] Yeah, yeah, shout out to them.
[00:50:50.100] Keep doing what you're doing.
[00:50:51.000] I ain't a hater.
[00:50:51.620] Shout out to them.
[00:50:52.960] Put me on a feature.
[00:50:54.100] That's good.
[00:50:56.240] Tempo plays a big part in that, too.
[00:50:59.520] It's gone.
[00:51:00.500] It's done.
[00:51:01.580] If you can't write the next line, well, you're dead.
[00:51:04.760] The past doesn't matter.
[00:51:07.380] I think that's another aspect that's a little bit different from this album to your previous ones.
[00:51:13.280] is especially because of of the the time gap in when albums got done is tempos have gone double
[00:51:26.700] time from then and beats within the 89 to 98 aren't really used because they sound old school
[00:51:38.210] now to to most fans coming into it now so my tempo range that i produce in mostly is like
[00:51:46.870] in the 80s to like low 90s so we have a we have a really hard tug on slightly slower beats slower
[00:51:56.610] beats that makes a lot of sense still not in the range of double time because then we're talking
[00:52:04.530] about like then we have to get to like 80 like like on corner pocket that's more of a double
[00:52:08.750] time yeah and um you sound you'd almost sound different there's a couple there was one track i
[00:52:15.250] i can't remember which one it was but you sounded different and i don't know if it was uh maybe it
[00:52:21.390] was a feature but it was like i don't know if he did it on purpose the first half of his verse
[00:52:26.150] it didn't sound like tug and then it slowly started on this project yeah um yeah what song
[00:52:33.390] was that i'm curious did you when you did good morning did you come back afterwards after he
[00:52:38.490] spit no no he had it that might be it because i just went in the he he uh syllable wise was way
[00:52:47.070] more rapid fire than i was on that track i was laid back yeah and then when he came on as it was
[00:52:52.710] very rapid syllable fire so to go from that back to my he's back it might have sounded a little off
[00:52:59.340] but yeah that might have been the scap the yeah and i usually utilized the um the jay-z reference
[00:53:06.560] on there when i did the um full sail introduced me to kane because jay-z had the thing that he
[00:53:12.880] was getting introduced to cocaine and my my old um i'm not partner music collaborator that i went
[00:53:20.200] to full sail with his name is kane so i said full sail introduced me to kane came back tug
[00:53:24.400] introduce me to chain yeah so that's like a whole jay-z reference in there too yeah that was that
[00:53:29.920] was super dope i i was like i threw my headphones on tight when i when you first came on on that
[00:53:35.380] track the the first listen to and then that's probably good morning's probably one of my
[00:53:40.800] favorite tracks on the but that could change depending on my mood that's like right now
[00:53:47.930] my grandma line this might be one of my favorite lines on that i like that line too
[00:53:52.030] uh where you embrace the love i know the i don't know the exact line but you had said she has a
[00:53:58.220] cutty whip from alabama riding through the back streets on my way to see my grandma she got a
[00:54:04.800] couple she got a plate of rice and beans a couple fried bananas not much but as much love as i can
[00:54:09.580] handle yeah that's beautiful yeah yeah yeah i like that one but we'll throw on good morning
[00:54:18.620] and then maybe start
[00:54:19.960] landing the plane
[00:54:21.700] for sure.
[00:54:23.240] Yeah.
[00:54:30.230] That's all right.
[00:54:32.720] I'll mix it.
[00:54:33.640] I'll make it work.
[00:54:34.360] It was amazing.
[00:54:36.890] People will like that.
[00:54:37.970] Like, you can drop
[00:54:39.340] the music lower
[00:54:40.520] in and out.
[00:54:42.420] I'd like to hear a commentary.
[00:54:43.200] If they want to hear the song,
[00:54:44.060] they can still play it.
[00:54:44.540] I got a pocket full of stuff.
[00:54:46.650] I'm full of dreams.
[00:54:47.590] My thing in between.
[00:54:50.590] Blocks filled with crime.
[00:54:51.530] I've been on the scene.
[00:54:52.820] I know what's happening.
[00:55:00.370] I always wanted to use
[00:55:01.110] provocateur in a song.
[00:55:02.710] That's a great word.
[00:55:03.990] Ill word choice, man.
[00:55:05.450] I got a hundred and a hammer
[00:55:08.510] Cutty whip from Alabama
[00:55:09.830] Riding through the back streets
[00:55:11.290] On the way to see my grandma
[00:55:12.630] She got a plate of rice and beans
[00:55:14.230] A couple fried bananas
[00:55:15.390] Not much, but as much love as I can handle
[00:55:18.210] Far from perfect, but I'm worth it
[00:55:20.310] Guarantee your head bang with every single purchase
[00:55:22.910] With pays on the track
[00:55:24.230] A blackout of game
[00:55:27.170] I call a circus
[00:55:28.050] I've called a service since 06
[00:55:29.890] Full sail, introduce me to Kane
[00:55:31.690] I came home, tug, introduce me to chain
[00:55:33.650] Jumped in the game, producing
[00:55:35.050] I have you proving my name
[00:55:36.330] I spent a decade for people not to be moving the same
[00:55:38.990] Who's to blame, but who knows?
[00:55:40.750] This shit is about the who knows who
[00:55:42.450] And you know they give you kudos
[00:55:44.110] It's been full gold, jump through the whoop holes
[00:55:46.110] The gold will put you in a trap
[00:55:47.910] I'm old now, but now I'm new to the fact
[00:55:49.910] Most of the time I ain't even in the mood to rap
[00:55:52.710] All these weirdo rappers don't ruin that
[00:55:55.310] I need some new friends, my old ones gave up
[00:55:57.850] Still doing the grind, ain't got room with mine
[00:56:00.940] Grab and take a barn whip for breakfast
[00:56:02.860] Then I casually claim my rights to the whole room
[00:56:07.040] Aim to and chase after
[00:56:11.990] You'll never be a different pedigree
[00:56:15.570] Let it be a lever to feel the energy
[00:56:18.330] So I'm chuckin' deuces
[00:56:20.630] At least by now, now you know what truth is
[00:56:22.910] This gave me like a
[00:56:29.400] Kit-Kat vibe
[00:56:31.060] I don't even know what that means
[00:56:32.620] I gotta listen to Kit-Kat
[00:56:33.680] He's famously known for his humming
[00:56:36.980] Ah, okay
[00:56:38.820] But this, my wife loves this part
[00:56:41.420] She was like, this part needs to be its own song
[00:56:43.640] well it is the bridge to the next album okay why it's good morning morning as best i'm saying
[00:56:53.480] goodbye to this mentality yeah yeah yeah i'm gonna go into put that one to bed and now we're gonna
[00:56:58.480] a new day it's also why there's no uh at least i think that's why you didn't put it in
[00:57:04.810] oh no i don't think i played it there's no uh resolution so if you know about music theory
[00:57:09.170] i stop right before the last note when there should be a resolution because it keeps it
[00:57:13.650] open for the next album there you go that's that's what queen did and with um um bohemian
[00:57:22.660] rhapsody okay everybody thinks the song ends with um um what's the end of the on end of the chorus
[00:57:30.360] nothing for tomorrow i can't even think of the song right now
[00:57:40.380] yeah let's put it up
[00:57:41.840] yeah this is some real music
[00:57:45.080] shit I love it but don't give me copyright
[00:57:47.180] flag though no no no you can
[00:57:49.160] cut this out that it ends with
[00:57:50.880] we are the champions of the world
[00:57:53.320] but it doesn't they just say
[00:57:54.960] we are the champions of the world
[00:57:56.680] I got you
[00:57:57.520] super dope psychology
[00:58:01.020] yeah
[00:58:01.680] go producer go to MC
[00:58:05.340] finally connected on the album
[00:58:07.980] getting another one
[00:58:09.400] Imagine the person that finds book two, like they just stumble across Tug McGraw book two.
[00:58:17.480] They're like, oh shit, there's a book one.
[00:58:19.580] They're like, oh shit, he's been doing this shit for 15, 20 fucking years.
[00:58:23.860] Yeah, that's how it was with the language arts, the volume.
[00:58:26.560] I went up to what, volume four, I think.
[00:58:29.980] Volume four was the bacon and eggs joint.
[00:58:31.800] Yeah, I think you did.
[00:58:32.820] Oh, was bacon and eggs volume four?
[00:58:35.000] Language arts volume four, bacon and eggs.
[00:58:36.640] Makes sense, yeah.
[00:58:37.180] that one had
[00:58:38.800] Vulcan
[00:58:39.560] Vulcan Death Grip
[00:58:41.120] shout out
[00:58:41.900] Booze Brothers
[00:58:42.400] yeah
[00:58:42.700] I like that album
[00:58:44.840] yeah I was too
[00:58:46.300] I tell people
[00:58:47.280] they was like
[00:58:47.700] why Bacon and Eggs
[00:58:48.540] I said cause man
[00:58:49.260] you don't wanna
[00:58:49.660] turn up and shake your ass
[00:58:51.020] as soon as you wake up
[00:58:52.200] you need some
[00:58:53.520] wake up music
[00:58:54.240] you need some
[00:58:54.700] Bacon and Eggs
[00:58:55.320] when you get up
[00:58:56.420] you know
[00:58:56.720] roll to the store
[00:58:57.460] smoke
[00:58:58.120] do an L ride
[00:58:59.620] go to the store
[00:59:01.160] do what you gotta do
[00:59:01.880] that's when you play this album
[00:59:03.000] I do wake up
[00:59:03.740] and shake my ass though
[00:59:04.600] oh Jesus
[00:59:05.220] there you go
[00:59:06.260] there you go
[00:59:07.600] Now, I got my different morning wake-up music, but that'll set the tone for my whole day.
[00:59:12.460] Exactly.
[00:59:13.460] It makes sense.
[00:59:14.700] I've been actually rocking, you know who is great morning wake-up music?
[00:59:18.880] And this is not a diss anyway, but Quaisa.
[00:59:20.940] I've been throwing on Quaisa, a little gospel rap.
[00:59:25.420] Give me like, it's not quite as slow as like a ballad type gospel song.
[00:59:30.800] Me and Quaisa are working on an album too.
[00:59:32.740] oh see i was gonna leave that unresolved so that we could lead into the next episode now i just
[00:59:39.160] said that's a place of the artist but uh that's dope you guys are welcome to come back on the
[00:59:43.960] show anytime uh sure whether you got something promoted something to promote or not um just talk
[00:59:50.660] music shoot the shit i'll be back for book two yeah definitely come on for book two it's cool
[00:59:56.900] to give the listeners a little more behind it because nobody appreciates that an album takes
[01:00:03.040] two years and especially when this guy drops them like you might have to slow down just because it
[01:00:09.420] yeah he's been on a tear this whole year was it four albums you dropped yeah five technically five
[01:00:14.400] because i put out um you remember to ours we used to work with jimmy breaks okay the whole and and
[01:00:20.060] when i say project you produced the whole entire album of those five um there was a little chain
[01:00:25.480] on the jimmy right yeah to me me and jimmy or jimmy breaks album is me and rick okay okay so
[01:00:31.280] yeah technically yes nice that's wild yeah he's doing putting a lot of work this album is is
[01:00:39.070] basically half his album it's basically our album that's why i hit you up to do the thing and i was
[01:00:44.890] like yo you gotta come with me bro this is just as much your album as it is mine so yeah yeah
[01:00:49.650] for sure
[01:00:51.020] and we plugged it too
[01:00:52.720] so that's cool
[01:00:53.620] we keep everything going
[01:00:54.680] but
[01:00:55.380] I don't know
[01:00:56.300] if you have anything
[01:00:57.460] any closing thoughts
[01:00:58.800] um
[01:00:59.660] stream the
[01:01:01.310] book one
[01:01:02.010] Fools Aaron
[01:01:02.990] everywhere you stream
[01:01:04.070] your music
[01:01:04.550] we already
[01:01:05.890] about to be back
[01:01:06.850] in the lab for book two
[01:01:07.870] and uh
[01:01:08.650] I hope you enjoy it
[01:01:09.870] Tony I appreciate you
[01:01:11.050] yeah man
[01:01:11.590] thank you
[01:01:12.230] you said you're on Instagram
[01:01:13.590] right
[01:01:14.030] yeah
[01:01:14.310] Tug McGraw
[01:01:14.990] T-U-G-M-C-R-A-W
[01:01:16.850] what else can
[01:01:18.830] you got any other
[01:01:19.630] social or anything you need to shout out just hit up my ig i don't worry i i reached my friend
[01:01:25.610] already for facebook so i can't really add people unless i start deleting people i found
[01:01:29.250] them on pornhub actually yeah that's there you go channel check out the only fans you know it's
[01:01:35.250] a fool's errand it's a fool's errand at least he's transparent it ain't the it ain't the music
[01:01:40.890] it's all there it's all there but yeah man um yeah spread the word if you like the album
[01:01:49.070] send your friend the link man appreciate it oh yeah all right cool shout out your social phase
[01:01:55.070] oh where do you want people to check you out um what's my instagram now it's just a phase just a
[01:01:59.690] phase it's just a phase on everything just search it search phase one um pretty easy to find tug is
[01:02:05.450] very hard to find on the internet i'm not so you can find me through him yeah there you go if you
[01:02:11.110] if you just search tug tug mcraw the baseball and then put phase yeah the baseball guy comes up
[01:02:16.490] So put Tuck McGraw phase one and it'll come up.
[01:02:20.440] Yeah, man.
[01:02:21.600] I was tight when I lost my iPod.
[01:02:23.640] I had a language arts volume two.
[01:02:25.660] I actually bought it on.
[01:02:27.160] And back then when you lost iTunes, like when you didn't have the account, you lost all
[01:02:32.120] the music that you purchased.
[01:02:33.420] I don't even think that's on line anymore.
[01:02:36.020] Volume two.
[01:02:36.760] It's not.
[01:02:37.320] You got to have like a hard, you got to have a physical copy.
[01:02:39.780] And volume one was never online.
[01:02:43.890] Volume one.
[01:02:44.690] that i think no i discovered you in two so i don't know if i ever even heard one yeah one i think we
[01:02:50.750] did i did with a double edge i think it was 2006 i think when that dropped i think so i think i
[01:02:57.770] think you've dropped that before we met yeah that was old old album my first one the appetizer
[01:03:05.800] yep crazy old i don't even i don't even sound like the same person anymore 2005
[01:03:11.500] I've seen some thangs since then.
[01:03:16.180] Yeah, man.
[01:03:16.940] For sure, for sure.
[01:03:18.280] Well, all right, man.
[01:03:19.160] Thank you for listening.
[01:03:20.260] Yes, sir.
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