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baby. Failure can be frightening. However, as Winston Churchill reminds us, success is all
about going from failure to failure without losing enthusiasm. This is I Will Not Lose Podcast. I'm
your host, Tony Ortiz. We're going to jump right in, man. We got the legendary phase one in the
building yo you gotta drop some air horns yeah let's go he's got the hat off you guys watching
it on youtube he's got the uh what is that like the comic bang yeah yeah this is um what's is that
no this is uh l money's uh make a statement um brand i see the emojis that he throws in there
but i didn't know about the brand oh that's dope he like changed it a little bit so that he could
get a trademark that's that's dope uh shout out to l money yeah yeah so shout out to l that's dope
man so what you got going on tonight i'm i'm here with you i'm back back in the basements
and um yeah i'm just here here we uh talk whatever we got to talk about everything
everything that's been going on well we got no time limit i cleared the cards so
everything's ready to go do you read your script on on the beginning or you memorize that i pretty
much i pretty much got it memorized but i read it because i try to keep it under a minute okay
it's all uh uh format you know what i mean everything's important because there's people
who listen on the spotify and they didn't know that there's youtube so by me saying watch in
you know you can see the difference and then sometimes i'll record a little audio thing for
sure uh to let people know but no it's i always like to break the professionalism
yeah everybody gets in their little the little um formats yeah so i like to break it up a little
bit so i was wondering if you were reading it or if you actually memorized it no i'm reading it and
with that said it's time for our first sponsor no no it's all a game and figuring the figuring
it out so nothing's like a time limit or anything like that there's not rules per se but i do believe
in consistency absolutely so post in the same time that's one big thing i'm like ah damn i gotta i
gotta stick to that but other than that man i'm really uh curious to hear about your process so
you shot me over a project let's talk about a couple of the different things that you do go for
I just found out you're a photographer. What do you spend the most of your time doing right now?
Right now, just being a husband. I've transitioned my lifestyle from being a bachelor guy in my
20s. And now I'm well into my 30s now. So I just got married last year. So now I'm just trying to
be... Oh, shout out. Congratulations, man.
So now I'm just trying to be the best husband I could be and still work on my projects and
and, you know, stay consistent in releasing music and producing for the projects that I
enjoy doing until who knows when, I don't know. I don't know. Everybody, nobody has the end in
mind, man. It's about the, it's about the journey. Right. I don't know how much I have left in the
tank. So I'm trying to, that's what everybody says. That's what Jay-Z said. Especially now.
right yeah and he was probably how old i am now when he was thinking about that
i think you're at your peak i think you're ready i hope so i mean i don't know you got uh you
it takes something to light that fire up you have to have it yeah you got a group of dudes
you work with right for sure yes for sure a town slim um and devin haley and um i'm producing the
next um tug mcgraw album if you're an og around the area then you know big shout out to tug
i just discovered his project with uh i don't have my phone not my yeah nai will throw their
their social and throw that up but i want to hear about that you're producing a tug album
oh that was that was my guy um and he's been for this whole period once you went to full sale i
went to Full Sail no no no I I was gonna okay we'll get into that yeah no go ahead but um I
went to Full Sail after high school um I started at Allen and I transferred to Northampton after
we moved when I was kids and um after that I decided to get more more invested into the music
side. So I went to Full Sail in 2005, graduated 06, came back to Allentown after I got offered
to be an in-house producer at one of the studios down there in Orlando. And I ended up turning it
down because I was young and I didn't know about like contract negotiations. So they gave me and
my boy Structure, a contract who we both did production on Brooklyn Zoo's album around that
time. So they really liked what we were doing. So they offered us both contracts to be in-house
producers for their studio. So I had sent the contract back to up here to one of my father's
lawyer. I was like, take a look at this, see what they say. And they told me what it means and
everything and i was like it doesn't sound like i want to work with them so i just said no straight
up oh man he listed out the things you didn't want i was like i was like if they're about that
i kind of don't want to work with them at all how bad was it i can't really remember all the
details this is 2006 so it's like damn near 20 years 20 years ago so it was something about
if i remember correctly it was something about um owning or publishing like um into the future
after we're not working with them anymore so instead of like going back with like a counter
offer i was just like no but looking back now as an older man i should have been like can we work
through this something you know give them a counter especially if you had access to a lawyer
than looked over you said that you said you had a lawyer friend look over yeah yeah so i probably
should have done that one of my one of my other friends actually stuck with it and and he did
work with them um he was about the same age as as i was then it didn't really transpire anything
in the end so i don't feel that bad about it well you can never feel bad about right you you learn
as you go through this industry but um yeah after that um we turned down the contracts and i ended
up moving back out here and um the first artist that i had linked with was tug because back then
2006 my space was the prominent social media so i was always in touch with with the local what i
was what was going on with the local rap scene out here and um so i was messaging back and forth
with tug i was like oh i'm from allentown you're from bethlehem and all that stuff when i get back
we link and do some stuff so once i came back i like with tug and we did some joints and um
i started my own kind of studio you know real bare bones type type stuff and uh
um and and we were always um doing music together and he introduced me to um i don't know if you
know rick cheney and l chain when i when i first started around he introduced me to him and i was
doing my own thing back then around 2006 and one of my first clienteles when i first started my own
little independent studio was meet beats oh okay then shout out to me yeah my god me beats he was
like my one of my best customers back then be pro right right yeah but this was before then he
started way way way way before before then and mb pro's been around like a clean decade so right
already wow wow wow so yeah you have to rewind the tape a whole lot so he used to come he used to
come to me like every day every day just booking booking hours and hours and hours and then i
eventually linked with rick and we teamed up and meat was still like one of our best
studio customers and we like really liked his production so we're like dude what are you doing
like you're i mean we like you paying us studio time but you're like dope dope yeah so we had our
own artists he had his own artists we're like why don't we all come together so we all came together
like 2007 2008 and we first put out like a compilation um you know whatever mixtape back
then with all of our artists and all of his artists called worldwide in like 2008 and is that
on spotify it used to be i don't i don't think it is anymore but it's somewhere it might be on
something that's the thing about music from that time man it's like uh it's it's not as easy to
find as it is now no because there was sites like um what what was back i think i think it was on
dad piff for a while and that piff just went down it might be back up so that might be on that piff
still um but we have put it on something what was what was the um cd baby cd baby yeah cd baby i
think still prints albums yeah so it still might be on something but um crazy we have put something
out on there and um eventually meat beats went and did his own thing and then he started mb pro
off of um you know what we were doing he you know me we meat watched me for a long time and
seeing what i was doing and he always had his own he wanted to do his own thing so we fully
supported what he wanted to do that's what's up man sounds like you support a lot in the community
man at least the local scene with music and stuff you gotta you gotta put people on man
for sure i don't think people do it enough now like who's i don't know i try to stay in tune
with with the younger please let me know because i'm not i'm not i know why lg is just drop
something yeah um spirit lead me that sounds real good i didn't hear it uh i'll play it for you
after the show for sure but um i stay i try to stay in tune but it's getting harder and harder
as i get a little bit older so so i don't know i know lg is i know ant wave's doing his thing
um i don't know i don't know who's next after that i have no idea i'm lost after that i don't
know even were you when you had uh i saw you posted something about like uh you know there's
no next generation right are you talking about locally you mean just everywhere in hip-hop
general i know people are still rapping but the next generation mainstream wise yeah like who's
actually rapping next not just like independent artists you got joiner lucas like yeah and he's
old now too so like joiner lucas is like 30 plus oh you're talking young yeah i'm talking about
like who's like the next the next guys that are early 20s shit with little uzi vert is the past
generation he's like 20 what is he now 28 i don't know that's a little woozy little woozy bird is
well maybe we're just old we are it's us there's there's you know my younger listeners are sitting
here yelling at the comments right now like oh you don't know about this guy this guy but i'm sure
there's someone well it's there's so music is so different now like it's so accessible so you
could have a huge cult following and there are people like that but it's like like we had like
we had the double xl next generation list and coming up in the like 2010s now who's that i
wouldn't even know they just like announced the people and it's like every year it keeps getting
it keeps getting what the fuck every year more what the fuck every year and it's like ice spice
and um whoever else they put on there and you're like i have no idea is ice spice considered like
a rapper rapper no and it's been like that for a couple years but like you could at least
justify some of them every they had like anderson pack and i was like he's been making music forever
like he's like a singer reaching that's that's the thing they're like well he's new to rap right
like okay like he's within like the branch i guess like you could i guess you could justify
but he's not like you don't put rihanna as rapper just because she spit bars right just because she
did bitch better have my money because she did bitch better have my money it doesn't really
she's the greatest female rapper yeah she's the the richest but no that's why i don't try to
get too much into the numbers you can tell if the music is like manufactured or for sure and that's
that's what they've been doing for years now is manufacturing the next people like cardi b they
have a whole team of writers and producers just giving her these songs and she performs them well
she had that energy to to be the star like for sure she was a star before she was a star you
could look through my posts i called bodak yellow nine months before and i didn't like cardi b at
all but the second i heard that song before it got on on i said no right there yeah that's it
that was the one that's wild i don't know if she's putting anything out i mean i'm sure she's
doing stuff she had the baby i'm not even up on pop culture which i wasn't there is none no more
Even the podcast that I listened to that covered pop culture, they're talking about dumb shit now.
I don't know if nothing's going on.
Is there some bigger, massive shit going on?
Because it should not be this quiet.
There's wars and stuff going on.
It kind of is bigger, massive stuff, but it's also not at the same time.
It's more so broken up.
You mean like the news is broken up?
everything's broken up into sections of what you're specifically into i got you it's not like
one there's there's probably not going to be a such thing as pop culture anymore shit i didn't
even think about it like that you're right it's all going to be segregated into a specificity of
what you like or what you're looking into that's why and it's going to be like a little um sub
genre everywhere i don't know if that's that kind of is what it is now that's uh my um my spotify
dj is ai and i just did you see this yet no bro you push dj and it goes what's up tony let's go
back and listen to what you were listening to in 2017 and here's some new artists like that here's
some things you might have missed that year or whatever and it plays music and then after a few
songs it'll switch it up and be like all right we're gonna play some tupac or and it literally
just i've listened for two hours and it just continues to switch the vibe but it knows what
i like and what i listen to so it's playing underground hip-hop like a like a dj spinning
it and i'm like that's super weird not even just the fact that it knows my music that's the easy
part they had we had that algorithm for years yeah the fact that it's talking to me and pronouncing
artists and saying we could do this i'm like yo this is wild so how much of like i mean eventually
are kids of the future just going to be like all right read your profile here's some music you'll
like here's an album cover just creating a whole a whole experience i mean i don't know i don't know
yeah it's gonna it's gonna get i don't think the kids are gonna ask for that
but i think it's it's it might probably get to where it's spoon feeding people
to that extent like okay you like this certain thing once it's fed enough information
it's gonna give you it could probably create what you like like out of nowhere like a new
like a new artist a new genre like oh you like these things here you go here's exactly what you
like yeah and it could use references and it's just somebody something you never heard it's
something that doesn't even exist i put into something like chat gpt yo i want to hear j cole
spit a shakespeare-like verses and start referencing like people throughout history and
having to just put that language together i mean i don't know we we we got technology to the point
where we just got it doing nothing oh yeah cheers yeah the the problem with um that i found with
like the ai as far as the music aspect goes is it's it's good with patterns and pattern recognition
and mimicking a lot of things but it's not good because i'm a producer it's not good with
sound selection and sound creation of like trash and music quality like it it could you know read
redo beethoven and stuff like that but it can't select quality sounds right right right now i
believe it you ever tried to have chad gpt write a rap yeah it's gonna be bad oh man it's terrible
but what i think is interesting is you can tell it write a rap in the style of kendrick lamar right
it'll give you something it'll it'll it'll give you a starting point yeah i mean it'll just it'll
take things that he says i'm like just the fact that it knows what kendrick lamar is so it's been
what four months right since chat gpt's out yeah and people are like oh i haven't there's no way
it could be like this dude i played around with an ai that puts a video together and makes captions
and all that shit right like yeah a human editor is still better but for sure it's the new google
because google yeah oh yeah yeah yeah google is almost useless now you search stuff and you just
get ads and people who paid for you know the first the first page and you're like this is not even
what i'm looking for it does take a while to get to what you need to find in google unless you're
searching for something on amazon that you want to buy it's good with that but other if you're
looking for like information like actual information to research something it's going
to give you the first page every single search slot is going to give you the exact same information
i don't know but you know what some somebody creative is going to come along and like just
make sense of that because i mean they'll they'll google has its own chat gpt right called bard
they're gonna try to train that with everybody and they'll get it to the point where you just
ask a question i mean it had to come to an end at some point we're old enough to remember before
google and ask jeeves yahoo fucking alta vista like all the things so we've seen it all before
so chat gbt will be the next thing or something like it there'll be the next one we we we see
we've seen all these iterations already so chat gbt is just the next version of that i think it's
far off for music and stuff like that but yeah it's gonna improve a lot of things and it discourages
me in a lot of ways musically um because i feel like we've become the ai especially in like rap
music and stuff because it's heavily programmed and very digital so the way people have been
producing music for the past i don't at least five years is very robotic yeah like uh like
very copy paste modular right so you hear all these songs that they've been coming up with
the past fucking five years and you're like what is this it sounds the same as the last song
it sounds like a bunch of noise i don't know what this is but something's gonna something's gotta
stick i wonder if it'll be the people like i wonder if someone because there is something
very true to the fact that like younger people will hear music like old people don't like young
people's music right unless you're creative and you like you said you're actively trying to hear
and understand something new or things like that you know there's things that i pick out but you
also got to realize like there's there was always people making music in tandem with whatever stuck
out and that was good like there was always a lot of noise for sure like they weren't just making
great rock music in the 80s and you know i mean 60s and 70s like there was there was a bunch of
people in their garage putting out absolute dog shit they just didn't have right they didn't get
to put it on the internet yeah yeah right they just stayed in the garage nobody ever heard it
but every decade at least since like the year 1900 has been no decade has really sounded like
the next decade zero zero to 20 or 1910s and then the 1920s like swing music and then 30s what was
the what was popular in the 30s i don't remember like uh getting more into jazz jazz it was a
little bit between that swing and jazz there's a name for it like big band yeah there was big
big band um 40s was getting 40s was kind of more jazzy now you lose yeah you had like um
Bing Crosby you had like that lower like that which led into 20 years later Frank Sinatra and
then it was getting more into that into the 50s where Frank was starting to come in and um more
slow but not big band but they had like they had they had the orchestras yeah and then a singer I
don't know what the technical term is was for that and then into the 60s where it started getting
more produced and then also the the 60s rock started coming in and then 70s of course we get
you know you think it's gonna happen faster than 10 years and i only ask that no i think it's
getting slower because people aren't thinking of anything they're just not progressing
they're running out of ideas when it works but you know what though if you think about it like
everything is spawned off wayne like they're rehashing the past now because there's no future
culture that's taking over pop culture like you said now all they're doing is going back to the
nostalgia of our generation of like millennial generation so now they they ran the gambit of
the 80s nostalgia like with stranger things yeah they ran that gambit because now the um the zoom
the gen z the zoomers they're like we we don't really identify with the 80s we weren't even born
yeah so now we're the old heads to the zoomers so they have to go back to the 90s nostalgia where we
are the consumers now yeah yeah because gen z doesn't have any money yeah i just bought a rug
we have the money and we have a whole generation of man children who love nostalgia yeah oh yeah
so i was telling my my wife that about uh gamestop she tells me um you know your kids shop there what
are you doing shopping at games i was like dude everybody at gamestop is not buying stuff for
their kids like their target market is 30 it's for them yeah yeah and that's gonna go out of
business too but we are the last generation with money now for as of right now the zoomers don't
got no money they're fucked they got uh my my daughter said to me uh she was like i'm worried
that my generation is just going to be unmotivated like everybody's just going to want to be a
tiktoker and i'm not sure what we're going to do to change anything i'm like that's coming from
the generation do any of them want to be a plumber one of y'all gotta want to be a plumber
because we're gonna need plumbers when we're old all right when we in 20 years we're gonna need a
plumber we don't want want to clean the shit up that's backed up in our toilets but we're gonna
need somebody to do it so one of y'all gotta do it please you are you on anything besides facebook
instagram um twitter that's it i forgot to have you shout your social out but i'll make sure i
put it up in the lower third so that people have it if you want to shout it out now i'm gonna yeah
i'm gonna be starting my own little thing like like we got going um i just started started the
youtube channel um i'm i'm calling it um it's just a phase it's just a phase p-h-a-z yeah so
So that'll be a thing.
And I'll be talking about music topics and creative things, mostly starting with like
the local scene and interviewing people about the history and their stories and stuff like
that.
That's super dope.
That's super dope.
I wanted to see, going back to, so I'm interested, so you got a project with Tug McGraw coming
out.
yeah yeah you got something with devin haley yeah yeah devin um i've been producing for him
since 2017 and um we linked up after i split from l chain and i started doing my own thing
and um i linked with devin because he's been around the local scene for a while
and he's the son of um casey haley from jodeci um so casey and jojo yeah yeah casey and jojo for
the next the next next generation of people who don't know who jodeci are um but he's his son so
i hit him up and was like oh we should do something sometime um so i sent him some joints
and then eventually he had said he's like oh if you can come to la um you know we'll work on some
stuff so i was like i don't got nothing to do right now you told him you're gonna check your
calendar though i said check my i'm free um but yeah i didn't have anything going on with that i
was working with slim and we were deciding what we were about to do next and um i was like i'm
go out and um and fuck with devon for for a week so i flew out to la and his uncle jojo had a studio
out there so um we just linked up and we did his um i don't know if it's his first album but it
might be his first like official album moment we did that whole shit in a week out there and um
in la um i'm super excited to hear that yeah you didn't listen to that one yet
the no did you send it to me i don't think so no then how did i hear it it's not out no it is out
oh i thought you said you're working on a project another one coming oh that's the one i'm excited
to hear yeah no um you maybe you did send me that because i did listen to devin haley's project
yeah because you you um were listening to um top five volume two yeah so we did two projects
Three projects before that one in a short amount of time.
So 20, did we put it out 2017?
It was either 2017, 2018 that we put out Moment.
That was like his first full length, quote unquote, album that we did together.
So we did Moment out there.
And then after that, we did Top 5 and Love Factory in the same year.
so the love factory was his r&b album where he's more so singing than rapping and um
now we're on to top five volume three and the one that i just finished mixing was um
it's called no fun intended and that's the next project and then after this one
it's going to be top five volume three which is 90 percent done already and um yeah so we got
three other projects besides that one coming from the guy that said i don't know how much gas in the
tank i got left no i got three projects i have production gas in the tank as far as wrapping gas
not so much uh it'll come back it comes in spurts yep it might be a while but
yeah it takes it takes longer for me to get motivated to rap for sure anymore because you
know i don't know you do music so it's like um i've been started writing when i was like
12 or 13 you know so it's been 20 years it's been like 10 years since i dropped the track
i'll have to look it up i think the last track i put out was anvil with uh with gallo shout out
to gallo that was a long time ago but i'm gonna put something out just for fun i have to i've
talked about it on the podcast just put stuff out that's all you gotta do when i first went
so i recorded uh two verses recently and my buddy shout out to johnny melendez he comes over
and um he sets up brings out a little interface and a laptop brings out the sm7b and i'm like
okay so do you need me to print your verse and he's like don't you got a phone he's like nobody
prints their verse anymore i'm doing mad stuff differently just uh i'm used to the analog a lot
more stuff is uh digital but it's it's easy to hop into it i try to get my son into it my son is 13
and he even told me the other day he's like you know what i don't really want to learn to produce
but i think it'd be fun to be an artist so i'm like all right maybe i'll just have him at least
do a song for him to hear himself i recorded him singing frank sinatra um so just it's a wild
creative outlet for sure no matter where you end up with music or anything like that
That's why I think it's so important to promote. People don't know what one share or one like
does. They scroll by and they like to see that you're doing it. And it's like, okay.
Yeah. I had that problem with people a while ago too, because people know what I do,
who know me or who's around. There was one of your lyrics where you had said,
essentially, well, a lot of your lyrics said just like, nobody from Allentown made it or
nobody from eight town quote unquote made it and stuff and it's like there's such a rich
musical scene here there's such like a story of stuff and there's people who like uh i would
compare to like uh tupac or something that explained this area and the right the nuances
of it very well but i don't know if it's too close to philly too close to new york i don't know
maybe we just need to start working together more you know what i mean it's really difficult
and and we've been trying to do that for for a long time like me and rick um and slim because
i always felt there was something special about people who are actually from allentown and people
from bethlehem and people from easton like actually from here not not transients from
new york or new jersey and nothing not to disrespect any of them um but i felt there
was always a unique personality about people who are actually born and raised here and that's what
we found with myself i was born on 17th street hospital and raised two blocks away from here
for 12 years of my life until we moved not even out of town yeah to the quote-unquote suburbs
that's 10 minutes away but i'm still here and so is rick is from here born and raised here
a town slim born and raised here um devin's from new york but you know we accept him a little bit
we accept him a little bit um uh there's just just a lot of artists that i've encountered that
are actually from the area that I felt have something different style-wise who are unique
to New York, unique from Philly.
They just have something different about them than those areas.
And we're kind of an amalgamation of all of these places because New York is a gritty
place.
philly's a gritty place we but they're also a little bit more not as much not not to say high
class but they have a bougie-ness about them coming from the bigger cities and we have a more
blue collar experience than they do as well said that's that makes sense and so we talk the same
shit but it's just a little bit different we don't have a neat we don't have the new york
accent we don't have the philly accent for those just listening that aren't from the valley
we are about an hour hour and a half north of philly and maybe two hours south of new york
yeah well you could get you could get to philly and your map says philly but if you're going to
visit someone in the city and you got to deal with traffic yeah yeah yeah so i'm just thinking
until you get to the center but i have listeners outside of this area that might not know where
our geography is and i always tell people because i deal in um i contract with people in audio visual
all over the world you know what i mean i'm in digital marketing so when i'm explaining to them
the valley i share a lot of the same pride that you're saying with like you know it's this it's
this niche area you know um but it's like anywhere else where you don't always have people willing to
work together or um you know just put people on just for sure and i'm all for working together
too with with with people who are deserving of being worked together with you're gonna work
together with them just share something and say okay this is coming from you know uh i mean it's
also different with rap it's easy for me it's always like competitive yeah yeah rap is much
more competitive than say graphic designers even other videographers because most of the at least
the videographers that i deal with they're not chasing the 200 videos you know what i mean like
They're not, they're not even in the same, they're not worried about people who are asking
for, uh, getting things a handout or cheap.
I mean, video is one of the greatest mediums to be able to get people's attention and deliver
a message and stuff.
So it's valuable.
If you have something worth filming, then you already can monetize it and make whatever
you're putting into it back.
absolutely even more so now because we got into videos super early 2009 we started doing videos
around the same time that josh ramirez was doing videos shout out to jack nine exactly shout out
to jack nine we were doing shit at the same time and even then me and him always always
rocked with each other and he was like yo you're better than me right now and all that stuff at
that time and then he just took like a little turn and then took off yeah and I've always been
the more I only want to do what I want to do yeah and if people didn't want to do it I don't care
so he was like I'm I'm over here getting money people are paying me to do this I'm gonna do this
so he took off and did his thing which I applaud I seen him a couple years ago I went out to Florida
and visit his studio and all that and it's very impressive i gotta get out there and um yeah that's
my guy um but we started basically the same time and he was older he was older than i am now
starting out doing videos right right then so it was like 34 yeah so there's no time limit as to
when you could start and be successful in doing things like like you were saying the podcast like
about failure i've a ton of failures yeah because i start i start things i get into things and then
i'm like is this for me or not and that's how that's how i've always been that's how i started
out i taught myself how how to record i taught myself how to reproduce taught myself how to
engineer i taught myself how to do videos taught myself how to edit videos taught myself how to do
artwork and i figured out what i like doing and what i don't like doing so i always say
just do things like you're doing right now with the podcast just yeah just go ahead dive in head
first it doesn't matter if things suck but you'll figure it out eventually and if you if you figure
out that you just don't like doing it you find some other aspect to do it or the third one i
suck and I love doing it. So I'm just going to keep doing it. There's a lot of people who do
that too. There's a lot of people who do that too. And, um, that's what I was going to say too,
about, um, supporting people from the area. And, um, I'm speaking on, on that aspect solely as
or in a rapper or, you know, artists in the hip hop community in the Valley is a lot of people
are mad at me, I'm kind of infamous, quote unquote, because I don't send people beats.
I don't support them the way they feel they should. But I always have my eye out for people
who are talented or I see something in because if they are talented and I see something in them,
i want to work with them i'm a producer at heart if they're a dope artist i want to send them some
stuff or i want to give them a critique on something they may be able to do better or
improve upon a little bit um so i always have something to give somebody who's coming up
but it's not a charity just handing out beats right for whoever yeah because there's a lot
of people who i think don't deserve the the shares or the respect who feel they they do need it but
i'm just like no like there's some people who just share whoever or support whoever just because
they're from the town and i've i've never been like that because i feel like my my opinion and
cosine matter a little bit. I don't want to say more, but yes, more. I want to keep my credentials
in a certain range to where if I'm sharing somebody's stuff or I'm telling you that this
is dope, please go listen to it. Yeah, no, that makes sense. You got to be the Paul Revere when
you tell people it's time to go. They understand it's time to go. You can't just be doing that
calling false alarms right for everybody yeah sharing everything no that makes a ton of sense
i'll say like i'll at least give it a like i'll at least give it a listen right and i'll come back
a lot of stuff like they'll go they'll they'll go um like there's a lot of times i hear something
and it might not be great but if i see that person still doing it a while down the road i'll be like
let me check back in and see what's up and just see if this changes or if this does ever but
honestly facebook is not a place where i would like really see new music because i'm not usually
like first i'm not i'm not a consumer i'm not on facebook really looking for anything i kind of
catch myself scrolling i have timer apps when i'm working that tell me if i do anything yeah on my
phone facebook is dead it's pretty much dead now well isn't isn't like all social media just media
now all of it's dead is you'd think it'd be something visual on a visual platform but no
all the all this this is only because people actually watch it like i i get i like listening
to my podcast when i'm running doing something like that when i go and like sit and watch a
podcast uh i would i did big shout out to dj focus podcast because that had me locked in last week
for like two and a half hours on live was driving and i just had it playing through the car yeah and
it's super entertaining and i'm like that lends itself to video i would listen to if it was just
on the radio just audio but i'm not watching a podcast for four hours i'm not sitting there
watching joe rogan and talk with his guests i might reference the time stamp if there's something
i wanted to see but i don't have to watch people talk but i understand that some people do
yeah some people do um people like us though we're in a little bit more of the minority
because i've been the same way over the past i don't know 10 years of when podcasting started
to really take off and i've been listening to listening to long form content for a long time
and whenever i would be interested in something and i would send somebody something to listen to
and it's a podcast that's an hour plus they'll be like don't send me no shit like that i'm like how
am i gonna yeah and i'm like dude i don't listen to anything under 30 minutes well you send the
you send the clips i feel the same way if there's shorts that's a great part or you know what it
just comes up in conversation like i feel like a lot of the stuff from the podcast that i consume
will come up in conversation or come up in my show or something but i never learned within the
shorts and it grabs the people it needs to grab but i'm not that guy throughout all those podcasts
there's there's always something in the weeds that you pick up that you would never pick up
if you just only listen to the shorts it's always it's always a nugget in there that you would only
get if you listen to the full two hours i'll send you we'll get in our little audio club i'll send
you some people that that do listen to long form content that i have conversation like they'll
actually have a conversation with you about this stuff now four hours that's just ridiculous the
only time i'm sharing that i'm getting the only time i'm sharing four hours is like at work well
like you know what i mean i'll uh i'll be at my day contract and i'll look over at uh one of my
co-workers there and i'll be like you know you want to throw on a lex friedman or something it's
noon we or it's the beginning of the day we could watch it till noon or something it's just in the
background and you don't have to actually listen and if we find ourselves too into the conversation
we'll be like all right we got to get work done let's turn this off right um if i haven't gone
on a road trip with someone to be like let's just throw that last time i did that was like 2018
where it's like you get a podcast i get a podcast we'll listen to something as we go but um everybody
has their then they have people shout out to my listeners that tune in every week and check back
you build a relationship with checking back and hearing the same voice the same content
every week like there's little nuances of things where i'll see somebody in real life and i'll be
like yeah i went to four days of my day contract so i'm free fridays they'd be like oh i know
like how'd you know that it's like right put it out in a podcast and broadcast it to the world so
start there but besides music besides um just being a career creative in general how does that
like how do you keep up your mental health and everything with or do you like i've just started
i've just started keeping up with my mental health um my bad um you know through your teens and 20s
we didn't know shit about none of that um
that's the clip especially especially through my 20s it was just um drinking that's how i kept up
with my mental health um no uh up up until my i don't know i don't know if you want to call it a
mid twenties crisis or something, but like around, around like when I turned like 26,
I was like, is this what I want to keep doing? Is this how I want to live my life forever? Like
the years are going to keep passing by and I'm going to be 30 soon. So what do I want to do
really? So I, I, I really had to, to reflect on, on how I'm living my life and, um, it wasn't
looking good. It wasn't looking like a good outcome from who I was around and the things I
was doing. So I really had to make a change and it was really significant, um, with what I was
doing. And I had to cut, cut ties with people and stop doing the things I was doing and, um,
really turn a corner in my outlook on life in general. Um, I was always like a lifelong
nihilist, atheist, um, rebellious, um, everything you wouldn't think of. And, um,
I came to a crossroads where, you know, in the aspect of nihilism where nothing matters and
you don't go anywhere after you die. And that could take you to some really dark
places in your mind. And, and I went there and it was tough, but I really changed the outlook on my
life and um came around that that things do matter and there is things to live for and um
there is purpose even if it's the purpose that you give it yeah even if it's only that
you can get out of the hole you're in and and that's what i came to and you know now now i'm
married man so before that i was not there was no time where i was thinking of of marriage or
um a family or anything like that it was just gonna be i don't know i might just get
fucked up until i die i don't know damn damn yeah no i uh i'm definitely not gonna judge
Yeah, I think I'm on a pretty good path. Definitely a way better person. I'm more present with my family and people in my life who've been there for a long time.
because before i was more cold and distant and focused on you know i was way more focused on
the music and just trying to do things i wanted to do i'm in my 20s early 19 20s
and um just living life being wild do you have kids you don't want me asking no i don't
don't ah okay that uh that was a big change for me i think i was 23 when i had jayden see i'm 36
now yeah he's 13 so yeah we're the same age it's wild yeah i have nieces and nephews oh no no it's
my own yeah it's all good if you don't have kids i just feel like now i'm doing stuff i would have
did in my 20s like i have that fire it's like don't get me wrong i did stuff in my 20s you had
the period that it was like your blackout period yeah like now you're like no now i can do these
things honestly i stopped rapping because i had a son and my son pulls up most of my music is like
i i didn't i had it uploaded somewhere and like you said like i like that piff this stuff
disappears i don't have any record of maybe three albums and then uh i had four or five tracks done
working on a project with gallo right and um all his hard work that he put into the beats i was
just like i'm not gonna finish it you know what i mean like i'm not and everybody's like oh it's a
phase it is what it is you guys were right after 11 years i'm back dropping the hottest mixtape
for the year. And I feel like, like I was kind of the opposite of that. And, um, a lot of my
friends that I grew up with, you know, we're all like the same age. So as they were doing the same
thing you were doing is having families and living your life, working your jobs. I wasn't doing that.
I was working on the music and trying to do what I was doing, which, you know, I'm not famous or
anything, but that was my purpose at that time. So I skipped out on having kids in a family
while you guys were doing that. And now a lot of the people like yourself and a lot of my friends
now, their kids are teenagers and stuff like that. And they have a little bit more time to
pay attention to what's going on. And they're like, Oh, Hey, what are you doing now? And I'm
like dude i needed your support fucking 10 years ago yeah right not now now i'm old everybody who's
who's trying to search for my shit now they're fucking 17 or not even 17 i don't know i don't
even know how old they are they're gonna look but i'm not appealing to the people who are
gonna be searching for music now i needed that support 10 years ago but do you know what it is
though, like music didn't have a chance to mature until like Jay and M and Wayne are still putting
music out. For sure. Louis Bardalis, LBJ told me he had mentioned that. And I was like, that
reframed my mind. I was like, that makes so much sense. So it's not there. There still is people
searching for the type of music you make. Absolutely. And I've said that before, too,
like within our lifetime there's gonna be an artist who gets popular who isn't alive anymore
like people are gonna discover him and he's already dead yeah oh man it's wild that's gonna
happen eventually it's not unwrapped like though no i was honestly thinking of that the other day
i was like what if i just record these tracks and they're not out while i'm alive yeah not that i'm
thinking and then people discover it and they're like no this guy's fire you gotta go check him
out and then and then they go like look up your wikipedia and they're like oh he died in like 2007
we're gonna get into some music man should play some music yeah do you got uh you got your phone
right can you pull up uh well is there anything you want to play as long as you can send me the
links i'll be able to throw it in and post i have nothing in mind i'm not sure if there's anything
do you have um everything i want okay all right all right everything i want off of the uh misery
loves company album talk about waking up a good morning but i would talk about i'm a parent daddy
y'all i never pop nobody maybe it's the king of me i'm feeling myself speak up you're feeling
differently because y'all ain't fucking with me time i drop my team shit on y'all team religion
y'all talk about a couple crucifix uh and i want the thing that i want i'm gonna get
pay attention for granted become a presence as a present now you gotta pay admission i
fucking the same old bitches used to be money over bitches what a coincidence now they just
change over bitches raj no fake of a side menage to a paradigm as quick as a paradigm
they say it cost to be the boss but it free to be a sucker motherfucker still sucker free
super dope all right that was uh everything i want off the misery loves company album is it
available on youtube just on youtube that's it just on youtube we'll make sure i don't know
we're gonna throw the link in the in the description yeah i hope i hope to get my
my other catalog and and this one too on on other streaming services i want to i want to remix them
and make them sound a little bit better as i always want to like it sounds good don't be a
perfectionist i know that's that's what i've i've tried to learn to balance over the years too
otherwise i would never put anything out is i i have to get it to the point to where i just put
it out but all right we're gonna land the plane i want to i want you to chill for a second after
the show i want to play some music for you go for it show you some some projects we're working on
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