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here do you know this is your fault oh this is my wasn't satisfied with the kitchen i was like
yo we got to promote your album it's coming up we got to get a conversation going long form
it was perfect and then i don't know it just turned into well let me get one mic let me get
two mics at first remember because i said i wasn't going to do guests oh yeah that's right
yeah you wasn't gonna be down here by yourself everybody was like oh let me get on i'm still
gonna do videos i'm still gonna do content by myself but yeah so welcome why don't you tell
the people who you are yeah gil thompson from allentown pennsylvania lived in philly for like
eight to ten years of my life had a lot of experience down here and came back and um started
high school in 10th grade william allen and that's where like i really really fell in love with hip
pop and it was like it's kind of like that classic story at the flagpole my boy john will shout out
to john well him and him and his boy nick and i actually mentioned that on the album it's funny
and um they were freestyling and i was just like yo i should write something he was like he's like
bro go do that shit so i like took me like three hours to write eight bars like you mentioned a
telephone pole you guys have met at a telephone pole yeah it was like it was right at the um the
flagpole actually after school like they would always freestyle and i would just watch and i
was like yo i want to write something john well was like yo do that shit so i took mad hours i
think it took me like four or five hours to write eight bars because it was so hard i never trained
that that part of my brain before right right and i did it and i came back and i was i spit a little
and they responded i was like yo and johnny was like yo keep doing that shit and i was like word
so then i got i just kept doing it then i went back you know went into the history i was like
who can i study to get nice and then i just started studying everybody and that's how my
whole journey started with it name some people who who would you study i mean i know but tell
tell some of our younger listeners well the person that made me fall in love with hip-hop
that grabbed my heart first was pop because the emotion in it but once i got into the i would say
on the mc inside the first rapper that i ever wanted to be like was method man because i loved
his voice and his cadence shout out to meth yes oh my god was just so much um it was so captivating
to me and especially when him and redman did the blackout album the rock wilder that's one of my
favorite songs you put that song on now i'm gonna go nuts it's microphone checker it's winning so
electric like the way he does it he just sounds fire and like then i went into like a cannabis
phase for a while the real technical lyrical oh my god yeah my style of rhyming is ancient like
aztecs and mayas because i recognize it's all about time and me and my freestyle alliance
practicing african voodoo science i was like yo this dude is crazy like so he had me going nuts
and then and then i then i went into the knives the knives has been my favorite ever since once
i started really dissecting all his shit and common i think if you could kind of blend my
style in general because i don't sound like anybody i would say a combination of a more
common personality but knives is kind of writing style if anything and then i blend a whole bunch
of other shit in there but yeah knives has been my favorite because ilmatic is my favorite hip-hop
album of all time ilmatic yeah i can of all see it's hard for me to place my top of all time
but that makes sense that's about the the natural progression for some of our younger listeners
i don't know if they realize how influential rap was oh my god it was a culture it was a movement
and we had studied you know the 80s the cool g raps we had studied the the rock kims the people
that kind of invented the culture and then as we're adapting it in the 2000s what was uh when
when did eight mile come out was that 2001 i think that was it was 2002 yeah 2002 because
slim shady lp was 99 marshall mather was 2000 i remember that because that was the year it was
competing with supreme clientele but ghostface so then 2002 was m&m show and that was around the
time he did eight mile all right so yeah 2002 and it's 20 years bro yeah that's crazy a little over
20 years that's crazy it's insane that's why i hear people clown eminem and stuff and they're
like dude just the fact that he's still doing it you know what i mean it's like it's like trying
to break down god did verse oh yeah be like oh dude just at that level alone at that age i remember
when jay-z did the kingdom come album when he first came back after the black album when he
his fake retirement i remember i seen an interview with um with red man that year he was and he said
this then this is before jay-z became a billionaire red man was like man if i was making jay-z money i
wouldn't be rapping like that are you crazy and this is red man everybody loves red man especially
from the 90s a super stone cold legend he said that then and jay-z like kept rapping after that
you know so i was just like red man could say that shit he got all the credibility in the world
it shows you that jay-z just has something in him that he wants to continue to prove excellence
I mean, shout out to Hov on that one.
Yeah, shout out to Hov, definitely.
Well, you got your own excellence to prove.
We're promoting Riding the Heel dropping October 24th, right?
Yeah, October 24th.
What's the significance of that date?
It's my mother's birthday.
RIP to my mom.
She passed away October 21st of 2019.
So ever since then, I went through a whole bunch of internal stuff that I needed to work out.
and writing this album definitely helped me through it.
It's very therapeutic because I lost a lot of people in my life.
But when I lost my mom, that shit broke me and I had to go to therapy.
I took 12 week courses, learned, did a lot of reading, learned about how to reprogram
my mind and my own feelings, because at the end of the day, nobody's going to pull you
out that hole but yourself.
You can have people that love you, that support you, can be there for you until you make the
internal decision that I want to get out of this and do certain routines every day to
try to pull yourself out with positive energy taking action to legitimately do things you're
gonna stay in that hole and i was like you know what i wake up and i was like i have a wife and
two beautiful children that need me so i can't keep falling down this hole so i started climbing
out not to paraphrase one of my song titles and now but i had to had to literally climb out that
shit and it took me a while but through the process i was writing and i was like you know
what let me get these emotions out because i need to and this album helped me a lot with that lets
me put stuff in perspective once it was down on wax so yeah can't wait for everybody here and the
24th is her birthday so shout out to mommy oh man she's she's loving this she's loving this
no that's great i did get a chance to get a sneak that's funny so we put together the album cover
which you're seeing here that's going to be released so this podcast will probably come out
either a week before or right around the same time as the release date it'd be great if i can get
everything edited and put out right beforehand so this is a promo piece for people to so at the
time of listening this it'll either be out now or out in a couple of days so we'll make that
available so why don't you go into i think you touch on some good things hearing the album this
seems to be more of a story of growth and healing there's a big difference in the first half of the
album versus the second half of the album oh yeah definitely this shit starts off like confused
angry i mean just the first the intro is called circles of insanity you know i mean so it's kind
of like just the chaos is going on in my mind and how like i'm i'm trying to wrestle through the
idea of instead of staying in that zone i gotta do something to get it out of my head you know
which kind of goes into track two break your face which is literally just like anger and how i deal
with people um because you know when you come from the hood and hood mentality and you get older
you try not to be so reactive you try to um take in the situation and think about it before you
execute your emotions but when you're young you got that that energy and you just react sometimes
so it's kind of me battling the fact of all right i'm older now so i can't just be aggressive every
two seconds i got kids to raise i got responsible shit i have to do you know so it's just kind of
like me wrestling with those emotions like yo just let me in my own space you do you i'll do
me but if you push me there i could take it somewhere and that's that's why at the end of
that track when i'm like you know what i need to vent it and write down sink my teeth into a herd
of mcs and bite down the cypher yeah heard of mcs and bite down that was the last track that was the
last line literally the last line so then i go into the next track where i'm just barring dudes
up and bevel boy so it's kind of like a process of like circles of insanity everything's going
crazy yo i need to get this out and then i'm venting literally my anger and personal conversations
with people and and then you know what let me let me let me vent it through hip-hop and then i go
into my cypher stuff and i'm sending mcs you know i mean so it's a process of me letting out this
anger becoming more self-aware and just kind of being honest with myself and taking accountability
accountability track five right yeah for my own my own personal like um my my place in all this
Like, I know the world might have done stuff to me, but how did I react to it?
Was it in the most positive way?
Was it in the most helpful way?
Was it that I come from a place of love?
Like a mantra that me and my wife use every day now is bathe in gratitude and lead with love.
And I repeat that.
Yeah, gratitude, yeah.
Yeah, we do that every day.
So I try to do that.
You know, this situation pissed me off.
How can I lead with love through it?
And if you approach everything in life like that, you're going to go towards a more positive answer.
And that's what I try to do.
Even when I'm angry, I try to ask myself that.
How can I lead with love in this conversation?
And how can I bathe in gratitude at the things that I do have, even if I don't have everything I want?
So it's just a constant process of like wash, rinse, repeat of getting better and putting my mind in a better state.
Cause I want to reach that, that, that mental level of gamma that monks are at that where they just be at peace all day.
Like those are the, those are my heroes.
Like I want to be where they at doing like crazy stuff all day where they're just like, they're eating ice cream.
It doesn't matter what's going on.
It just, they don't even have to smile about it.
There's anarchy everywhere, but there's this like perfect Zen in their brains.
It's, it's crazy.
It's amazing.
Well, no, I think that's great to be able to flip the perspective.
like you said lead with love uh that was part of the reason you know that it was a hard decision
not to make this a hip-hop podcast i was gonna have the i will not lose the jay-z cleared it
was gonna drop the beat everything everything but then i thought you know what it's really
just a matter of the the i will not lose the stories of successes learn from failures so
flipping it not necessarily musk landing the spaceship on mars but what comes before when
he failed in paypal what led him to become the person that now he can land a spaceship on mars
does that make sense and it's really just the opportunity to find the success in everything
that you may look at as a failure yeah it's um yeah it's always a process and the thing people
have to be comfortable with and recognizing that it's okay to be a work in progress many people
think well i've done all this stuff and i became aware i'm not naive to certain information anymore
so i should just know better and do better which is true but you got to take an accountability that
you're still a human being you're not going to be 100 all the time even after you know positive
information why it's because we have a lot of habits that you did for years think about
if you were like uh just a prick for like 20 years and then you met a really nice person that
touched your soul and made you really want to be better you're so used to being a prick that
it's gonna take you a while to get out of those habits it just is like all that stuff your daily
habits and all and i explain this to everybody is you know whenever you drive somewhere every day
and sometimes during your drive your commute whether it's to work or a friend's house like
you might lose time for like five to ten minutes but you're like wow i don't even remember driving
here but your body still did that's all in your cerebellum like that's where all your habits are
so you're like well how can i retrain my cerebellum to become more actively aware and present in the
moment and that's what your cortex is you got to be in you got to do habits that get you in the
zone so that when you are relaxed and when you are on autopilot your autopilot is doing positive
shit and that's going to change your whole physical reality things of that nature so that's
why i would just do stuff when i wake up in the morning i wake up like i don't have to be to work
till well 6 45 a.m now i'm waking up at like 3 45 because i'm not a morning person but i know that
about myself so i'm not gonna wake up at 5 15 oh man you know i wake up at 3 45 i get up i do my
my 4 7 8 breathing i say daily mantras of myself you know i mean i read my positive affirmations
i get myself right i get my coffee my water i sit there and just i'm present before i even get on my
phone i don't get on my phone for like almost an hour or whatever yeah that's been a big one i need
to be at peace because i deal with so many different energies at work and then when you come
home i'm i'm a husband and a father my kids want to tell me about their day my wife wants to vent
to me or tell me about her day and i need to be present for those things especially people you
love so i gotta put myself in a mental space where i can handle all those energies and you
gotta be honest with yourself if you are more of an introvert person you gotta know that all right
there's a but so much energy i could take within the course of a day so i need to set myself up
for success i can't just all right i know i'm an introvert but i'm putting myself around people
every two seconds you gotta you gotta like work yourself towards that and i think the the biggest
thing people need to do is be honest with themselves and know how to kind of work into that
You know what I mean?
That makes sense, man.
Dropping some wisdom.
You remind me, I just finished a book this year called The Upward Spiral.
Are you familiar with it?
I've heard of it, but I haven't read it.
I wish I knew the author.
It was one of those ones that I flew through, but it talks about the different patterns that you can get that lead you further and further towards depression.
And The Upward Spiral is just little things like taking a walk.
Not only did you get a little bit of exercise, but if it's a sunny day, you got some sun.
you got some vitamin d it's just different things to wire and you use the analogy about driving one
of the things they mentioned is you ever notice how like you realize every light that you don't
make you don't realize that you just pass four green lights you just realize that one red light
yeah your brain actually gets into a pattern of recognizing the negative things and the further
you get towards depression you start to remember bad things so i'm to the point now if i find
myself aware of just thinking about like i'll think about an argument from 13 years ago it
wasn't even a serious argument it's just all of a sudden i'll be like wait a second so maybe my
brain's trying to tell me something maybe i need to to do this oh man it was like the level of
petty is still there that's crazy i wish one could come to my mind but i honestly i just throw it out
it doesn't do any benefit there but it lets me realize and recognize this has helped too
you got a smart watch yeah well uh well not yeah i got me a fit bib because i track my steps or
whatever yeah there you go yeah this is a big one oh my god yeah i probably get like 15 000 a day
15 000 yeah you work on your feet yeah i'm on my feet all day i'll get just 12 at work and i'll
come home like if i work out or if it's a workout day then i'll probably end closer to 20 maybe
i don't even think i get 15 000 i've got 16 000 once but i was dealing with a lot of anxiety i
use this to track if my pace is too fast i'll know from my data before i'll know from my actual
oh the way you're feeling yeah i won't know like am i over caffeinated am i anxious i won't know
that right away i'll have to look oh you hit your daily step limit by like 11 a.m but maybe
that's crazy yo i remember the one day i was in steps 12 p.m like damn no even when i run my steps
don't go that crazy like when i was running three miles a day i think i was only averaging like
nine or ten thousand steps a day really i would get most of well i mean i'm at an office most
the other oh yeah that's true that's true my uh watch tells me to get up and go walk it'll tell
me to do upward stretches or something watch it's gonna go off during the podcast i'll be like wait
uh-oh but uh no man so that's crazy so hip-hop is a a crazy force and it's amazing how it comes
full circle to allow you to i mean if you think about a lot of rappers talk about the self-expression
that hip-hop allows you to have they're like look it didn't teach me and don't get me wrong man there
was some people who were like you know they heard that pop verse and they got a different message
they were like i gotta pick up a 38 and we gotta roll and ride on these enemies right now like
it didn't influence i'm not gonna get out here and say hip-hop did everything but focusing on
the good parts of it i mean it's uh i wish i could quote the line you know classified canadian
rapper oh yeah he produces too something like that he puts out a ton of work but uh he had
said something about that it never made me want to pick up a gun it made me not ashamed of who i was
or something like that like yeah he's nice i haven't heard some of his stuff in a while but
yeah i remember bumping some of this shit at least like five seven years ago i had an album
is i wish i could remember the name of it but it was fire i can't remember the name but he's dope
yeah a couple of his he's dope it's just crazy yeah hip-hop is just it's an incredible thing
because like i used to be one of those more um jaded guys that you know you grew up in a certain
sound and you like it to be that way but then once you start living and getting out into the world
and you see how different bops and vibes influence people and energy surrounded makes you appreciate
it more if you're in your house all day and you like if you like i don't like club songs but you
don't never go out then you can't appreciate it if you go to a club and you see certain energy
and you see people enjoying themselves having a really good time and it's great energy and they
mouthing all the words i'm like yo like this is different yo it is and it makes you appreciate it
oh yeah same thing like i remember like like when the meek intro came out i was just like yo this
is dope but once i seen i was in a setting and you see like 50 people mouthing it word for word
you're like this is something different to the point when the eagles won a championship they
walked they ran out to that shit i was all this shit is different you know i mean so that sometimes
you got to be out in the world to experience it somebody could tell you all you want but if you
don't feel it then it's like that that's why i suggest before you criticize certain styles of
music go exist in that energy yeah of where it's at its peak at and then come talk to me because
i'm like wow it feels a lot different it makes you appreciate different styles of music a lot
better once i did that i stopped being as jaded yeah and then i get out of philly for a little
bit i was like yo let me chill y'all i'm bugging right now what about out west you ever been out
west no i love that music man kendrick lamar j-rock they've been rocking the last couple years
oh yeah i love i love anything that sounds like that just with that west coast bop they they west
coast did a great job of instrumentally sounding the same even even nipsey nipsey got that west
coast vibe and you hear it and you're just like that's a west coast beat you know yeah yeah kendrick
kendrick he's probably my favorite of this new generation and like of the leaders you know it's
always between like drake j cole and kendrick like i like they're all doing their thing but
kendrick lamar and i think it's with me personally why i probably love him the most because i'm a
person that if you do something that i think is like extremely hard to do that other people can't
do i admire it so much i'm like wow like how did you do that where most people don't give a shit
about that and that that's fine but me personally like when he did like to pimp a butterfly the way
he put together good kid mad city like those are very complex yesterday highly detailed albums if
you listen to that shit in headphones and you all the sounds and shit going through i like yo this
shit took a long time to put together like this is a masterful that switch up in good kid mad city
this is crazy bro and when i got that i was like yo this generation ain't doing shit like that
they get a beat and they rap over it and if they killed it they killed it oh this beats dope these
bars is dope kendrick could have the the track one flowing into track 15 and track two connected
to this i was like this dude is different bro so that's the only reason why i appreciate him
because i know in order to do what he's doing you really got to put a lot of thought into it it's
not just i walked into the studio and spit a hot verse and that's why i could i appreciate him more
like out of this generation of rappers but he got so many features i just heard him on classic man
that jay denna john uh oh yeah i heard him on that i heard him on he was back on like
with asap rocky and drake yeah on fucking problems you know what i mean like he's just
he was on uh then i walked into wawa i get a sandwich and i hear taylor swift bad blood and
And I was like, that's right.
He was on a remix of that.
That's funny.
Yeah, I was just talking to my daughter about this.
She was like, wait, Kendrick was on the track with Taylor.
So I was like, yeah, it was a while ago, though.
That's funny that she brought it up.
I was literally just talking about that yesterday with my daughter.
That's funny.
For as little as he drops, he stays relevant in every conversation.
Yeah, even the album he dropped this year on Mr. Moran and the Big Steppers.
That was very deep and detailed.
And the story he told about his own healing and therapy and stuff like that.
I really enjoyed that story.
i haven't given a deep dive yet i was like wow and yo the track mother i sober bro it's like
towards the end it's like right for the last right that is one of the deepest songs i heard
in the last five years to talk about the stuff that directly relates to the black community
and stuff with molestation and stuff the diving in and how i went into his family and people don't
talk about that people having sex with their family members i was like that's crazy niggas
don't talk about that shit yo they they like in the fact that he went there and talked about
like i was like wow bro and sounded so vulnerable that song touched me yo i was like wow like he's
different so you could do a turn up song all you want you do a 50 million but that song is better
than like 50 turn up songs yeah oh yeah because that shit's gonna be around forever people don't
get that vulnerable music he leaves in the room on it for an album he's able to carry that buzz
that they want him to drop something else he'll get the features if he had you got to think about
it back in the day you dropped 12 tracks if you didn't have three bangers to run it until your
next album you had to they had it all planned out you were in the club and then you had
dude albums followed the same format that's one thing that i love about newer hip-hop it's not
that same okay we got three skits it's gonna be verse chorus verse no we're gonna have the
Yeah. No, for real. You always had to have like a, and then to the point,
if you listen to jazz last albums, it was just hit after hit after hit.
It was like,
we had thrown his album on at the party and play it front to back.
Yo, I can't remember the last time I listened to Ja Rule album.
That shit is great. He didn't do good at the verses though.
What was it against Fat Joe? I think it was.
Ja Rule and Fat, was it Fat Joe?
I think it was. I think it was Fat Joe. They did a verses.
I think it was like last year or so.
Excuse me a second.
yeah i i didn't get to watch it but everybody was saying ja rule did really good and it made
him realize how many hits he had back in the day he was like you know what ja was my dude yo i heard
a lot of people saying that see what it is is it was our dude in middle school it was we were a
little bit i'm 35 you're what 39 39 yeah yeah so you were you were in what high school when ja was
out yeah like when i just yeah i just graduated i'm not talking about like ashanti and ja rule
I'm talking about when he was putting out like Yellin' Murder all the time.
Oh, like Holla, Holla.
Yeah, that was the Vinny Vinny Vinci album.
Yeah.
Yeah, Vinny Vinny Vinci.
That was like 99, I think.
I want to say I was in eighth grade when that came out.
Yeah, that's crazy.
Yeah, I remember that.
That's when he was getting a lot of DMX comparisons, so he had to switch it up.
I was just going to say that.
DMX, that reminds me, he was preying on the album and stuff, just that whole.
Then he switched it up and came back with, every little thing that we do.
and it was like yo and then he had his own shit and then he just he did his hits or whatever that's
funny jaw rule dude i was at his concert this year that was a great that was a great time oh
it was good great i i was i was scared about that i was like damn is he gonna go out there
embarrasses because you never know no shanti shanti carried it but no he had he had energy
the whole time oh the whole time oh he did oh that's what's up john did his thing yep then
them was like all right we gonna do it how we really gonna do it take his shirt off and stuff
like that show his wing tattoos and stuff i was like all right that's right i gotta remember
it's like if i go to a drake concert oh yeah he's not there for the dudes yeah facts facts
it's john didn't make music for dudes after for the last 20 22 years yeah he's just been making
hits for the for the woman the ladies it's all good though he made his money yeah i ain't mad
at you he made his money that's crazy it's wild to get somebody but that's why you got to go with
the like the fact that he's still doing music uh this generation knows him for fire festival
did you know that oh yeah that shit that one left yeah i heard about that that's crazy i didn't dive
into it i didn't dive into it but i was just like because i don't really i don't really be following
like stuff john ruby doing like that anymore but if anything the the people that i probably
listen to the most that would be of the private like griselda with like conway like conway benny
and west side gun like i love them or like even trust with like 38 special ransom and shade noir
like i i listen a lot of that underground 38 special i don't know you're gonna have to send
me some links yeah he's he's dope he's a they're all dope just like bars shit that we came up on
more grimy instrumentals things of that nature you know i mean but yeah that's that's who i'll
be listening to matter of fact on my way here i was listening to tana talk for shout out to
benny the butcher oh man i was listening to tainter talk for i was like yo he's on that that
that conway feature on the new danger on the new danger mouse what's the one with con i think it's
called saltwater oh yeah towards the end of the album i know what you're talking about the cheat
codes out yeah yo black thought spazzed on that album something wrong with him man i don't think
he's human he has to be alien or something like how do you just you just keep getting better like
Dude, if you just came out and was like, he was like Asperger's or somewhere on the spectrum where just like language like that was his gift.
Yeah, he's just I don't know.
He's just different.
It don't matter what area he just kill shit.
Like I still every once in a while, I just go back and watch that 10 minute flex freestyle.
And I'm just like, yo, I think you did it like it was like two or three years ago now when he did that.
And he just spit for 10 minutes straight.
Like, I don't know if I could reference that.
No breaks his own flex.
Look up the the Black Thought Flex Freestyle.
I think it was in the last three years.
word that shit is crazy 10 minutes straight just boom boom i was like bro you did that on the
tipping point album that was what i really got in the black thought was the web and then uh boom i
think it went from web was like number six and boom was number seven black thought is different
that's why and that that's the only i'm gonna be honest that's the only thing about me that's still
a little bit jaded about my time when people talk to me about new rappers i'll be like yo go listen
to this black thought freestyle that he just did two years ago this dude been out since the night
tell me if anybody you like is messing with him and i'm pretty sure the answer is gonna be no
you know so i'm like and that's why i was like that's the only time i'm jaded like
when it comes to just a skill level if you're saying well i like this person's music better
because i like turn up stuff or i like a different vibe i'm cool with that because you know you can
like any vibe you want but when you talk about lyricism that's specific you're talking about
bars cadence flow punch lines you know you're talking about something very specific then you
start getting to like black thought maybe a lupe fiasco territory where these dudes are just
advanced they're mine or if you want to go into more freestyle look up king loaves look up any
any freestyle king loaves does he's probably the best freestylist i've ever heard like this dude
is incredible i think i seriously believe that if you scanned his brain there's probably a chip in
there you know there's somewhere there has to be a chip because i don't understand how he can
freestyle like that fluidly and that complex on the spot i've i'm like that's what i'm wondering
i gotta wonder how much of is it now what i did do i didn't write for two years back in my journey
when i rapped when i got to college i stopped writing and i only exercised the freestyle
and it is a muscle it's something different you got you got the studio you got performance and
you got freestyling and you can only choose two of those i'm serious serious even even drake come
on you never heard drake coming off the top with stuff he puts out like produced tracks and
allegedly as a ghostwriter i don't know i i mess with drake but it's it's not cared about as much
as it used to be i mean even if you talk about you talk to some local rappers in this area they're on
um you know you're kind of allowed to steal you don't have to sound like yourself and that's what's
so funny i go and i play stuff i play uh tracks that i recorded 10 years ago nobody was trying
to hear the way i was rapping 10 years ago but there's a market for it now it's so funny my son
i stopped rapping for my son so i could be there for him and he's like man you should never stop
rap it man it's like well damned if you do damned if you don't right yeah no it's it's it's crazy
though just with the whole um just the that's the bar concept of like mcs and stuff i i just see it
through do a different lens like you can like any type of music you want only time i personally
um challenge people is i want them to be specific in what you like you know i mean like be specific
and articulate in what you actually mean because somebody could say something like say if you sell
drugs heavy on the street and somebody like yeah i sold a pack i got the ratchet i got bitches with
me and they could say it in the most simple format but they said something that you do every day
right people like yo this dude is nasty and it'll be like he's he's nastier than black thought i'm
like no you're using the wrong terminology you relate to that more say the word relate don't
say he's nice because if we look if somebody goes the door that fell on the floor right and you're
like okay that's a simple rhyme scheme by definition you look it up it's a simple rhyme
scheme and then if you hear somebody going to go drastic flow have it mastered the rap shit
with graphical taxes and you start hearing words connect that is by definition a more complex rhyme
scheme so you can't say that takes more skill than that you just can't like so you got to say
i relate to this style more and that's why i love it i'm cool with that but don't say it's nicer
than black thought just say you can't relate to that it's almost it's almost like you gotta
separate it you got the cannabis flow like i got i got my i went through and organized my spotify
playlist yeah the other weekend and i got hip-hop rap lyrical jedi mind tricks all that boom bap is
just its own stuff shout out to king magnetic i was listening to him this morning as well too
but when I'm in a vibe like when I do that especially when I'm cleaning and stuff like
if I'm if I'm going I'm setting stuff up and I have to play music for the house I can't always
they don't want to hear Griselda all the time that's true when I'm in the shower and stuff
it's I'm going to play something that might be a little melodic because I know people can hear it
and that's when I have my headphones on and I'm going nuts and stuff sometimes I just want to
hear I've been on a Vinny Paz kick lately oh wow Vinny Paz I know they're gonna somebody in the
comments is going to be like how do you shout out king man again vanny paz watch but it's all good
um yeah and he's he's definitely a legend for sure that's a philly bull too but they got a lot
of younger dudes too like i like esoteric uh apathy was on a track with some dude man there
was i forget there was two white rappers i was listening to lately one of them is one in tech
nine strange music uh jerry robinson shout out to jerry robinson i'm not sure if i heard i think
then when i think oh what's his name is it riz ritz ritz or something like that i remember
hearing he was pretty nice music yeah he he raps like fast he raps a little more like he was pretty
dope i haven't ever heard i do i do like tech nine tech nine is a legend i just can't always
vibe with his in particular because some of his shit is just out there too much for me just my
personal taste but i think skill wise he's up like he's i mean you can't listen to him and not
be like this dude's not incredible no he drops the incredible stuff and he drops carobaloo
like i think i think let's talk about tech for a second the interesting part about his career
is he started with a failed album that they tried to market to black people when he had orange hair
and he was like he's like they're not relating with this you know what i mean like i'm in a
jumpsuit with orange spiky hair and twisties and stuff so he bought his album back i think that
was angelic and or re-released it i don't know what the exact that's one on the cover when he's
look crazy and the dreads are going everywhere i think he's got the orange hair in it yeah and
he's like his hair's going crazy i think yeah that was the one that got him out there but he
dropped that independently and sold like a million copies yeah he's his hustle is crazy all his
masters got like 30 albums i think something crazy like that probably more plus more than that more
artists than that yeah he's cess crew got multiple albums out ritz got multiple albums out jerry
robinson i don't know how many he's got i don't know if he's newer if i'm just late but uh is i
think daylight well daylight's the song he got with tech on it but i don't remember what the
name of the actual album is we don't got a jamie here ladies and gentlemen we don't got somebody
getting uh paid to just google stuff and pull it up everything that you see up here is done in post
so it's like i'd love to get there but right now i'm worried about the recording dropping out if i
start surfing the internet you know for real that should be done oh yeah he's yeah tech he's probably
i don't know this factual but he has to be like a top three most successful independent
like mc that i've ever seen yeah i think joiner lucas just passed him out
joiner independent wise insane i don't know if it's more than tech because tech been doing it
for a longer time but it depends on what rating you're going for yeah he's been doing it for a
longer time but i mean in terms of the month because i think the streaming sales tech had a
whole like i seen this um because you know for a while he might still be doing it tech was dropping
like documentaries with each album he was doing i know he had one with six um all sixes and sevens
and something else and then um i don't know about the documentary special effects he was he was
dropping like documentaries when we were showing how like he created the albums he did that for
like three or four albums in a row i don't know if he's still doing it but um yeah i would go in
there and they would show he has a whole fucking building that's a warehouse where they make all
strange music product like oh his merch isn't yeah he was walking through the whole warehouse
i don't think jordan lucas got that you know i mean no no no i just think the metrics i think
the metrics are different or honestly it might have just been a verse where he said i'm the
number one independent artist in the world like i'm not citing my sources here i'm going uh but
i mean in terms of i don't know if it goes by how much you tour or what goes with what because
strange was strange tech tours and sells out and stuff like that but it's not like madison's did
he sell out the garden i don't think he does things on i'm not sure well let's kind of gear
away from that thing because i don't want to be dropping facts that i don't know but the
interesting thing was he put that uh the acronym was b-i-t-c-h bitch breaking into colored houses
and he's like i'll be the first rapper to break into black folk i think that's the one with t
pain on it it has t pain on it and he did t pain on all sixes and sevens he had features with little
wayne he had a couple people like big names that he bankrolled for them to be on i was like oh he's
trying to break into the mainstream yeah yeah like he's doing his thing it's hard because if
you it's like trying to tell somebody to watch marvel now that didn't know nothing about the
comics didn't know nothing they're just seeing like miss marvel or like whatever the new stuff
they got coming out uh you can't you can't do it it's like watching endgame that's why i tell
people what god did it's like watching endgame without watching any of the avengers if you don't
know jay-z's whole career like there's even oh damn my bad it's all good i got i got alarms going
off and shit how are you on time you gotta get out of here no no i'm good i just have like because
you know when you be getting old and stuff you just be forgetting everything yeah there you go
so i have stuff to remind me by this time you know i mean do this well that reminds me i did
forget to put airplane mode on so hopefully nobody gets uh nobody gives a call or whatever but
we'll start the audio version i'm excited about this man i'm glad you could come over this
literally this is for you this was this was something i mean it's grown into something
that could be for other people but i wanted to see you to be able to have a an outlet and i just
think this album is so important you know i've been doing your albums for a while and they're
always at a different point in the life yeah but this very much says it's not like you're at the
end of the road it's just that you're finally aware of the journey now yeah that's a good way
of putting it yeah that is true you know you're not in anywhere zen buddha or whatever but you're
able to do there's a i'm gonna recommend a book for you you know uh robert green i've heard the
name yeah i've heard of that but i've got another one called mastery you never read 48 laws of power
no i got it in my office i'm gonna let you hold it gotcha will you will you at least page through
you can't read it front to back it's a fucking encyclopedia oh it's like 48 laws of power he
goes through each of the he gives a law of power and then he goes through an example of that law
like how somebody in history followed it then he goes through the reversal like how somebody
reversed it so like it's real cool like one of the laws of power is always appear dumber than
your mark so he tells a story about how these guys conned a bunch of rich people into they
literally just paid for raw gems and laid them in a mine and they're like oh we don't know we
think we found something you guys want to get some excavators and they were like yo we're gonna take
advantage and we're gonna sell it he's like i don't know name your price he they once they
tricked the experts once they had the experts like oh yeah these guys are don't know what they're
sitting on yeah then it was over yeah they they made like a ridiculous amount so then it'll also
go and it'll tell you what is the reversal to always appear dumber than your mark like uh
pickpockets will put up signs that say uh beware of pickpockets and they'll watch people watch that
sign and reach for where their wallet is so it's like yeah i got you it's just all sorts of cool
stuff like that but it's it's made to be referenced it's all sorts of different things you can learn
from but he's got another one another encyclopedia called mastery you'd be really into it it's about
how we learn things and how we at first we like we think we know it all and then as we get better
we start to realize the mistakes we're making then we get so good that we don't have to think
and our brain kind of automatically corrects those mistakes when we're when we're sleeping
it goes through the whole thing and like ties it into the human existence how we learn through our
life is ridiculous that's great well yeah it's true like you're always uncovering new stuff
about you i i had just um i think i yeah posted yesterday because i was talking to my boy at work
and he was talking telling me about his whole um journey with like math and like random conversation
how like he had issues with math growing up and i and i was thinking to myself i was like you know
what i did too i never really like i stopped liking math and then when i was thinking about
it i was like you know what but i did i did pretty good in math up until ninth grade my um algebra
algebra one i did really good and that's when i was still in philly in ninth grade in bartram
and i remember i had on mr richmond he was super dude like like thick and chubby black dude he's
hilarious he was super smart dude and caring and charismatic and i remember one day he had me
cracking up at after class we're standing the whole way he had me rolling like i was crying
i was like this dude is hilarious and then i came in the next day and they said he died of a heart
attack and i was like damn yo and like that the whole school like it just is like a dreary vibe
and then when i thought about it i was like yo after that i never did good in math again
for the rest of high school even when i came to allen like i was only getting c's and d's in
so i did enough to graduate you know i mean but i never did good i never got another a in math
after that and i and when i was talking to my boy about that i was like yo i really had trauma from
that and the like and that's something like my album's been written for done recorded for a
couple months now but i'm still uncovering shit you know i was like that's crazy like so you're
always going to be discovering new things about yourself the point is to be aware of these things
and to acknowledge them and okay what can i do going forward now because i'm not in school
presently i wouldn't be able to apply that but for something else when i go to learn something
if there's resistance in my body about it maybe i should explore that more why do i have resistance
about learning a certain subject is there anybody in my life where something might have happened
when i was first introduced to this subject that would make me have resistance to it
so now it blew my mind so that literally put
yeah i'm asking some questions right now no but that's that literally this shit just happened
yesterday bro like i'm telling you like this is mad exclusive like this shit just happened
yesterday so i was like yo so now just that lesson itself like that could make that into a whole
track if i wanted to you know what i mean and that's not even on the album this is just like
this is the bonus track right here you know i know i was like he's plugging uh he's plugging
the part two that drops afterwards i mean like this is crazy but i mean that's how it is bro
like every day like i pick up things and i pray for the awareness to be able to capture those
moment so that i can express him in the most precise way possible because we can always express
ourselves all we all the way i know for years in my life people will say communication is key
communication is key no comprehension is because you could talk to your blue in the face or
somebody you could try to communicate but if y'all arguing the whole time that was a wasted
hour or two of your time comprehends yeah so i'll always try to find understanding even if i don't
agree with you if i could understand at least where you're coming from then at that point i
can make an assessment are you the type of person that i should be around that doesn't necessarily
mean you're a bad person it just means that our energies aren't aligning and i'd rather be around
more people that align with my energy just like you should want to be with people that align with
your energy and it's okay to respect those differences and walk away from people people
always think because you walk away from that you have beef or you hate them no a lot of times it's
just a difference of opinion that's it because just the way i think and the way i govern my life
And that's good for me, might not be good for you based off of your upbringing, what type of food you eat, anything, your health situation.
Like I could eat certain things right now that make my body feel great, but you might have an allergic reaction.
So you eat that same thing that's making me healthy is making you sick.
So how is that helping you?
We have to be aware of all this shit.
It gets deep.
and just like i remember when um and this this blew my mind personally because i never thought
about it until i got more into meditation and learning about the mind and how literally your
mental health controls so much you know when people would be like well this person was healthy
all their life and their brother was was um was drank and smoked and that person outlived the
healthy person so kind of do what you want and stuff like that because you never know there is
some truth to that but what people don't get down to the to the little detail sliding under that
is that the person that was smoking and drinking had a healthy mindset. Yes, maybe they were putting
physical stuff that wasn't always great in their body, but their mind every day was like, yo,
I'm happy. And just that thought of euphoria in your brain, like raises your body levels up so
much. And if you're putting stress in your body, you're getting healthy, but then you're in a state
of depression. And the way you could prove that is you could go to work. You know, most people that
go to work every day they have a routine down especially if you're at a job for a while yeah
literally you could go to work and have a day and just be thinking regular thoughts oh this is a
solid day and go to work the next day and think about something that happened 10 years ago and
do the exact same thing but that day is horrible which literally and you can have knots in your
stomach in there which literally proves that the way you think changes the dynamic of the way your
body feels yeah oh yeah so stress everything yeah like literally you could do the same exact thing
but what happens up here changed the whole perspective of your day for you so imagine if i
if i go and i just put pressure on your neck right now for two for like 30 seconds you'll be like yo
that feels uncomfortable what the fuck and then i let go and you're like all right now if i held
that down for like a day now you might have like oh shit i might need to get a massage there's a
knot in there now imagine i held that down for a year 10 years now you might have health issues
that's what you do when you go into depression so literally you could be doing healthy shit all
this stuff you know i mean to put in your body but if you put in that constant stress on your body
it's going to kill you quicker than somebody that's happy but maybe drinking every weekend
and that's the piece that they don't talk about so they just be like oh so just eat whatever you
want to and be unhealthy because people just die no because this person had a happy mindset and
this person didn't that's the thing we're not talking about how powerful mental health is
Now, if you imagine a person that eats healthy, does everything well, and has a happy mindset, that's a monk somewhere in the mountains living to 150.
That's that dude.
And that's where I'm trying to be.
I've experienced both sides of it.
I'm not like 30, 40 pounds down now, but that's my second time losing 40 to 60 pounds.
I did that in my 20s as well, too.
Gained it back.
So I know what your body feels like when it's craving the grease and that stuff like that.
But I mean, it's it's crazy.
And I can say that since I stopped drinking, my mental health is it's just ties hand in hand.
So like drinking is not for everybody.
You know what I mean?
Some people could drink every weekend.
They'd be fine.
My mom drinks like she drank Blue Moons to drink like two or three couple nights a week.
She's not an alcoholic.
She's fine.
That's not my story.
I can't I can't do that.
Neither can I. I stopped drinking since December. So in a couple of months, it'd be a year for me. I just woke up. I was like, I'm done.
Yeah, no, definitely. But, oh, I just thought of something. Did you see that link that I sent you where it was like XXS Tentacion versus Biggie and Pac?
Oh, I didn't see. I don't think I've seen that.
Where's my phone? Do you got your phone on you?
Yeah, I don't think I've seen that.
ah we'll find it i'm not going to be able to throw it up in post because we'll get a copyright issue
but um yeah you probably can't even play it on your phone but i just wanted to talk about it
if you saw it did you send it on facebook um probably would have sent it on facebook
oh yeah because i don't i don't see that like i'm already at september's 11th this was a this
was a minute ago oh so it was a while this was like before yeah yeah i'll look it up i mean you
could look it up probably rap battle pock versus sentacion but they animated it like dragon ball
z style so it was like it started with the beat going and it was like it was uh i forget if it
was the beginning of uh the west side what's that track with pock wherever he's like look at him
over there or something i forget but he's talking shit on every every track that opens but they made
it and it was like they were walking in heaven and they looked at each other they had the whole
dragon ball z mountain area cleared out with the thunder and when pock starts rapping he's like
powering up oh shit no i didn't see that that's crazy i'm gonna show it to you man it's something
they were battling they were battling they did a verse from pock then they did i think a verse from
uh juice world or xxx tentacion oh and there were people watching the battle they were like oh man
pock's getting smoked but then like as the dust settled pock was still standing there and then
he drops the uh the matter was it was it um damn was it like um south park graphics similar yeah
like i think i know dragon i think i do remember that now but i watched it in the morning so that's
why i'm thinking about i was like yo i think it was like a south park um type grab i think i do
know what you see that's where somebody either somebody my age did it but i don't got the time
to do something like that yeah like that's crazy if somebody somebody wants to sponsor
for me and bankroll me i love to do something for hip-hop like that but back when we were in the day
we had a little blink 182 and they played it over top of dragon ball z clips it was like super blurry
gif pixelated but it was just adam's song by blink 182 to like vegeta falling somebody just put those
two things together and made like media i think that yeah that's dope and i and i think now that
now that you're saying i do remember because i think i remember because i know like the
hit him up song they took the pieces out of it that could be applied to everyone yeah instead
of like because he had a lot of biggie stuff he was saying it so he took out the parts that could
be generalized and i remember it i was like yo that's dope the way it's like it's like he's
really talking to him i was like that was it so i do remember that yeah that was a minute ago you
sent that to me yeah i do remember watching that though yeah that was fire though and it shows you
like like and i think the beat they had was a more like um more recent beat it showed you how
timeless um pop's flow is i was like that's just on fire on that beat but that that opened up a
hole that had me i went back to the resurrection album with the the soundtrack that eminem produced
oh wow running yeah why am i dying if i'm just living to die wow yeah i remember that shit that
was crazy yeah man it's it's so much so much i i still i'm excited about this content coming out
I like JID or J-I-D.
Oh, yeah, his album, what's it, The Forever Story?
That new one that dropped, that's a dope album.
The Forever Story, what?
He started with The Never Story, right?
Yeah, then there's this new one that's called The Forever Story.
It's actually his best album, in my opinion.
He did, he's very intricate.
He's going in, mad different.
Very personal, a lot about his family, stories about his family years,
family singing on it with him.
He got clips from stuff that they're doing.
like it's very interesting like he kind of handles it and i don't want to compare it for people to be
like going to it but it's kind of like attention to detail the way kendrick went into good kid mad
city like that type of level of attention to detail where everything he's even singing on the
album and he sounds great to the point you don't think it's him effort you'd be like wait but you
hear this he sang on uh working out you know a song called working out he sang the hook he said
i forgot the name of the song on the album but just like halfway into it he's singing i was like
yo he can like it's and i'm not even bullshitting you it's to the point where if jib was like yo i
want to make like a singing ep i wouldn't be like i'll be like all right it's probably gonna sound
fire because he can legit sing you know i was like put it this way he could get on a song with
anderson pock right now yeah yeah and they could go back and forth and you wouldn't be able to tell
me who had the better singing performance like that's how good of a singer he is and i didn't
know jib had that in him i was like yo this is a nice new wrinkle to his whole you know i mean
his whole artistry i was like that's great so yeah he did a great job on this project i definitely
fuck with it it's dope especially like how we talk about like new and old generation like that
sounds completely new like it's today's hip-hop but done very detailed and intricately while still
having great songwriting because he has turned up joints and all that but he handles everything
with a level of detail that us older generation appreciates do your fun shit do this do your life
shit but do it with a level of detail where we know you cared about it and jid's the perfect
explanation for that a young rapper that spits nowhere near the griselda cadence that i personally
love yeah but he does it with such detail that i'm like i fuck with that just as much as griselda
well he also got that he got that essence he got like a different accent yeah so one thing i always
try to remember like coming from the east coast and getting used to east coast rap we're used to
hearing that east coast accent or that philly accent yeah you don't have that at all yeah and
a lot of newer rap a lot of newer rap it's just proper english yeah it's they pronounce things
the way they're meant to be pronounced it's unless you're a mumble rapper right well i mean yeah the
mumble rap but honestly like you said for understanding differences and being able to
respect it i can't get mumble rap i can't do it but i also can't do what little john the yadi
or Lil Jon does and all that.
Like, I can't do the East Side Boys.
I can't make music like that.
I've tried to make a club banger.
It's just not me.
That's because we're overthinkers
and we're always thinking about the next bar.
Them dudes is going off a feeling.
Like, I know this, shout out to LG Izzy.
Young boy, he be doing music.
He doing a lot of stuff out here in Lehigh Valley.
I remember I had a conversation with him one time
because he would drop so much stuff in the studio.
Like, I remember he showed me before he dropped, like, a project years ago.
He had, like, 40 songs in a clip just chilling
because he's always in there recording.
I'm like, bro, like, what?
And he'd tell me, he just goes off a feeling.
Like, I'll watch him sometimes.
I'll go down there, and he wouldn't even, he wouldn't write.
He would go sing a couple lines,
and then he'd just pace around the room for, like, five minutes,
and then he'd have a couple more lines in his head and keep recording.
He would record himself sometimes.
and that's how he does it just off of his feeling so it's not really intricate but it's a real
feeling and he's a he's a vibing type dude he goes off of what he feels and and the songs come out
that way and that it's a lot easier to be catchy that way too because you're going off a feeling
you're in tune with the melody where me i'm sitting here like then putting pieces a lot of
times i write it to a different beat i write it to the shit ones beat you know i'm seriously like
when you write shit to that there's no way you could go off or you you sitting there trying to
piece stuff together all intricately and and these dudes out there just vibing so i think
i think there's a beauty to both you know i mean and the real special rappers are the ones that put
both of them together and that's when oh like they put melody and heavy bar structure together
that dude's different you know who's been uh probably i guarantee spotify's gonna say it's
my most listened to this year um you fuck with saint john saint jhn i've heard of the name but
haven't listened i'm gonna put you on a couple of tracks he got he got some with he got a track
with little baby that really put me on to it i think it's called like 5 000 singles it's just
like 5 000 yeah it's like it's auto-tuned it's like upbeat and then when i started listening
to his other stuff he got like a melodic flow but it's kind of like rap singing like i don't know
and it's kind of like remind me you remember when like tony sunshine would have an r&b voice like
he could really sing but he's rapping about killing people and loading up the clips and stuff
he was with pun and fat joe they was in the streets doing crazy shit yeah it's like it kind
of reminds me of that he'd be like melodically talking about loading up a semi but but man i'll
put you on to some of his music it's not it's i don't think it's rap i don't think it's like very
melodic he sings hooks but it's not r&b it's like some new stuff he's wildly popular though
wildly wildly popular tons of streams there's so much stuff out there that's the one thing i can
say when people say stuff about hip-hop hip-hop is such in a good space if you're actually like
a listener of it i'm not like a not a casual listener i listen to a little hip-hop here and
there but if you're immersed in a culture there's so many like there's dudes with like 50 000
followers that live off hip-hop like they literally make thousands of dollars you know
i mean and provide for their family and they have fan bases and they have like seven eight albums
worth of material that sound official sonically inner artistic and they live off of hip-hop and
the average listener never hear of them and because they don't they'll think hip-hop's in a bad place
but there's like literally thousands of artists like that now there are others that are struggling
to never do anything and then there's the next that are like a tear past that a tear past the
50k would be like griselda because they're like known but they're not no no and then after that
would be like the jay coles falls it falls in a weird place it does because real real popular
they are real popular underground they're real popular but griselda's kind of at the space that
talib qali was at when he did get by it was like he was popular but he wasn't jay-z famous yeah and
that's how i look at like radio's playing it because everybody's playing it not everybody's
playing it because radio's playing exactly like griselda's at that talib qali space but
where jay-z was at then that's where like say drake is now what drake's probably past that
because drake does like international music and stuff like that in terms of popularity but like
there's drake and then there's like i would say kendrick and cole right under that in terms of
popularity and then the grizzel the you know stuff like that in terms of popularity but
yeah man this hip-hop's a crazy thing i know you're talking about some of the like the mama
rappers i remember one dude that i got i don't listen to him but i got appreciation for what he
does was like i think it was and who was it was it who dropped the album jeffrey was it little baby
jeffrey he dropped the barter six or something like that was that that wasn't little baby
no i i can't tell you i can't tell you none of the babies maybe it was little yadi
uh whoever whoever dropped the album called jeffrey when he had the japanese hat or whatever
the asian like hat whatever i can't remember the name of that whatever rapper that was i think it
was little yadi i don't know but he he had um he had a couple songs where he wasn't saying anything
but the way he was rhyming his cadence to these melodies was so inventive like i i never heard
cadences like that before i was like what i was like and i'm thinking like the lyricist in me if
you put bars in that you would be hitting like a royce the five nine type flow like that's how
intricate his melodic presence was he kept switching up cadence he wasn't saying anything
but but the way he was i was like this shit is crazy for my artistic expression but we're so
bar heavy if it don't got bars i'm not listening to it like we get in that zone but when i just
when i put away you know i mean my judgmental view and i just went into it listening like
and i i learned to appreciate him i just i would i think it's a little yada yada whoever dropped
the jeffrey album because i remember somebody's listening to this screaming at the tv right now
put it up on the board yeah whoever dropped the album called jeffrey that's what i'm talking about
it was it was years ago but it's probably called like george or jeff with a geo yeah but it has
like a it looks like a some type of i'm not sure what culture but it's like of the asian and he
had like one of those like samurai hats on he was like this i feel like i've seen it you know i could
google i have google right here we're gonna mess it up it's cool but i think it was around that
time where i listened to him i was like yo and that's why i started learning to appreciate these
vibers more because of him i was like yo some of them really have some brilliant cadences
i just personally personally need more substance in order to relate to it so that i could connect
with it because i could other than that like i'll listen to it and i'll appreciate in the moment i'll
never listen again if you got content that i that's relatable even if i can't even if i didn't
experience your story personally if you do it from the heart and it's detailed enough where it follows
the story beginning the middle and end and it's told coherently with words and you're not mumbling
through shit i could vibe with y'all oh that's what's up i feel where you're coming from because
you don't every movie we've seen that might have touched us hasn't been stories that we've been
through but because it was depicted the right way we think of putting that right actor in that role
he killed that role i felt it i never went through that but the way he he presented it
was something so compelling and captivating that i was drawn into it same thing with music i don't
have to experience everything to go through but if your performance and the way you convey it
is so brilliant then it's like it's undeniable and that's all i'm saying is no matter what you
talk about it just make your performance undeniable so i can at least connect with
you on some level say you know say real words say something that's that's real to you you know
i mean because everybody has a different experience i'm not going to experience be able to experience
everything but i could still respect your perspective who's the this had me thinking
somebody recently it's gonna mess with me it's another white rapper i've been listening to
i think prof p-r-o-f you've heard of him i don't know if he's popular or not i don't think i
something came up and just the way that he was rapping on it it was like goofy it was like he
wasn't taking it serious but he actually had bars and then i looked up the video and it was like
like g easy does this a lot where he'd be like in like an old newscaster suit and they'd be moving
like it's in the 50s like it's all production but yeah i mean hang on give me one second
oh technical difficulty no we should be good might have gotten quieter but i turned you down
a little bit you were getting you're getting into it let's get mad hype but it's all good
just be more posts later uh so i wanted to get back to your album for a little bit i had some
notes here give me one second so told us about the growth i wanted to know the one bar that stuck out
to me was and shameless plug the album is called writing to heal we had spoke about having like
therapy through writing your process what does writing mean to you you kind of
leader that you come into the conclusion that you change your goalposts the goal is not to be
the next jay-z with your music you want to elaborate on that a little bit yeah it's kind of
um i would say around 2007 um when i dropped the album called the classic i had um i had
ambitions at that time to be the best rapper it was still that it was still like i want to be that
so when i wanted to every bar every concept whatever that was always in the back of my
mind no matter what i was talking about and then um you realize once you really get into it that
in order to take it as far as it needs to be there needs to be a lot of crazy sacrifices you have to
have the right team around you like nobody could do it by themselves and the first person that
actually pointed that out to me the first signs of that was when jay-z dropped the black album
and i looked in a linear notes in the back of the book and he was saying yo i couldn't have got this
far without my team he said that like you can go get the black album and read that shit in the back
and the notes and he said i couldn't got this i was like wow jay-z's saying this yeah you know
what i mean and then when he signed and then again i seen it again and that same message was thrown at
me when jay cole dropped the sideline story and that's jay-z's artist he signed he signed jay cole
to um the rock nation joint and in the back the first thing jay cole said was yo you cannot make
it this far without a team he was like because you can't do everything and i always used to think
that there was something i was lacking like and i realized that i would have teams over the years
but everybody wanted to be a rapper it wasn't like you're just doing the photos you're just
doing the promotion i'm rapping you're just doing that everybody's like all right so it's my turn so
they're helping you but they're not really helping you because they're waiting for their turn you
know what i mean and we are never on the same page like let's all go on on my album now let's all go
on his album or let's go on her album whatever everybody was always out for themselves not in
the like selfish like fuck this dude went because i'm still cool with everybody there's some sort
of altruistic motive i know what you're saying and because of that that's why like i can never
get out there and then once i got to the point where i started figuring out things then like i
got married and i had children yeah and then i don't care what nobody says and i this is actually
a small pet peeve of mine i say small because only time like i only talk about this once in a
while but it's when dudes be like yo i got children and i'm more successful well first of all bro you
was probably selling drugs i don't sell drugs i go to work every day so i don't got a hundred
stacks just to put up on music so that's how you got up on me because you were doing something
illegal while i wasn't too um you know outside of doing that they'd be like well i have i have
a wife and have children too yeah but your wife hates you your girl's always posting bullshit
about you my wife actually is happy you know what that requires that means that i have to spend time
with her you can't tell me you got a girl too but you're not spending time with her once you invest
time with somebody that takes what time you have to spend time you have to build rapport that takes
away time from doing music and all the other shit kids that have actual relationship with your
children you have to spend time with them i'm going seeing my daughter do cross country my son
doing hip-hop dance classes spending time with him telling him different things to be as a man
getting on them about their chores making sure they're academically right what do you need for
me that takes time if you're not doing that and you're just hiding by and then taking pictures
yeah you look really good but no your kids and your wife or your girl is suffering so don't
hit me with that bullshit i got a wife and a girl and i could do this too no my dude you're not
really doing it you doing the shit for the gram but you're not really putting in the hours because
if you put in the hours into your family you wouldn't have time for music you know i mean
that makes me hot you know i mean because i hate when people try to put that image out there like
you know you can't first of all you need a team and then first of all at some point you got to
make a decision what you're going to sacrifice for your family and since um i came up in a single
parent home with my mom i understand what it's like to not have the other parent around you know
now i've been over the years like i went through a lot of anger towards my father and we've had
a conversation last year where we're at speaking terms now you know i mean but i went through a lot
of anger and we got to a point like we're talking now like i send them pictures we cool where we're
not perfect or nothing like that but we got to the point where i could actually have a conversation
without being angry you know i mean so it's just it's just one of those things where the combination
all those things the only time you ever see a rapper have a healthy relationship with his kids
is if he made it then he started a family that's why jay-z's able to have a great relationship
he ain't have children so after he was already super rich yeah that makes sense like every other
rapper that i've seen you go look up interviews about their kids they're like yo i lost mad time
with my kids and it suffers from one of my favorite underground rappers joel ortiz and he
was never even out there out there he even says in songs that his kids suffered because of it now
he's trying to play ketchup i don't ever want to play ketchup with my daughter and son yeah and
and when i looked at it from that i was like if i make it off of me being a husband and father
and i'm still able to do it all right cool if not that's fine i do music and hip-hop because i like
the feeling i got one to bring it full circle when i was at the flagpole with john well and and i spit
something i got a reaction out of them you know and people hearing my bars and or when i was going
back and listening to rock him and carol rest one and studying chuck d and ice cube and ice t
you know up to naz and jay and wu-tang growing up on them and then going up to appreciating
Scarface and T.I. and Redman and Method Man and all, you know, when I got into all that stuff,
I was like, I want to listen to everybody, you know what I mean? And going through the G unit
phase and oh, wow. Like, look at the songwriting, the way they're able to consistently make catchy
stuff, but still hit hard and DMX and Rough Riders, Jadakiss, The Lox, all of them. Like
you study all this and you take pieces and then you develop your own style. And that's such a
passion of mine that even without money i'm just a hip-hop purist i probably listen to like 50 hip-hop
albums a year most people don't do that and that's like a bit obsessive but that's how much you said
i'm a casual listener you use i'm gonna run the tape back i'm pretty sure you said you were a
casual oh no not me not me i'm definitely not you said if you're a guy like if if okay if i was but
i was like no no you sent me the list
i was waiting for jnd to drop something you just gave me a review on it
oh thanks y'all want in i didn't even hear that new one yet no it's dope it's dope and it's very
intricate but no that's what i mean like i listen to so much hip-hop you know i mean i'm so into it
that that's that's who i will be without the money and once i realize that then i gotta do music for
me and then i've i've been in situations where i know i have something to offer like i remember
one time when i went um to church years ago and um the pastor said that i could share something
that was on my heart and um i went up there and i spit acapella it was like 40 bars or something
and it was about what i was going through i kept it clean because i was in a church obviously but
i spit something from the heart and how where i was at in my life and bro when i was done a 60
year old white woman and then like a 28 year old thug dude or whatever both came to me separately
in tears yo what you said touched me both of them two different types of people went through
different things in their life had different opportunities and they both were crying because
what i said on the microphone acapella with no beat i was like yeah i got some shit to say
nobody can take that away from me and i've done that plenty of times i've spit stories told stories
on the mic and people came yo bro what you said touched me and i've had that i went to brooklyn
and i was spitting and then this thing and people was talking they stopped and was like
and walked up and was posted up like yo like listening to me i was like oh i know i got some
shit with me nobody can't take that from me i could go in front of anybody and like you know
when i'm you know i mean start spitting stuff or a song or perform what you know i mean get myself
prepared and they're gonna feel it on some level if you like hip-hop if you don't like my vibe the
only way you wouldn't like me is there's two things either you don't like my style of beats
that i pick they're not for you yeah there you go or you don't like the texture of my voice
that's what i was gonna say you know i mean if you're not into like the my style or the texture
of my voice that's it but the skill level is unquestioned dude in bevel boy let me stop you
I'm going to take, I'm going to take over for a second in bevel boy.
I think it was verse two on a beat switch. Yeah. Yeah.
That was the crazy out of all your albums I've heard.
That was the craziest and correct me if I'm wrong,
there could be something else,
but that was the longest that you had the same pentameter going.
And then the sentence switched up the, I think you,
you were going and then the beat switched and then you started switching.
You went like half measures, you were rapping faster. I was,
i was literally listening to it i was like that was one of my notes that i put in i was like that
was that was really something um and normally i don't hear like the stuff i hear on your albums
is different than stuff that you're like featured with gallo you know what i mean there's still that
competitive and stuff and that was kind of where i struggled with making music was pulling it all
together because i just love that hype just i want to rap go in that battle cry joel ortiz just
just want to spit no crazy battle cries crazy yeah it is i'm gonna listen to that when i leave
that's crazy oh man yeah no um yeah i get into a zone i still look for newer hip-hop and i
as weird as it sounds i'm getting a lot of it from the apathy uh chris webby hasn't for a little bit
but i would really like chris webby's stuff is just like it's weird it was fun it was like
talks about add and shit like that just i mean it's weird to hear to to take like one of my
biggest things with mental health was for me to go and identify as my condition and not just have
it be like something separate or something i wasn't afraid of so the fact that chris webby
could poke fun at himself for having add i think that's kind of a mentality that we should have
yeah because people don't even people talk about mental health but they don't consider add a part
of that oh yeah that's true that's just your kids being bad it's just a boy thing like they don't
realize that and like to treat it with meth yeah that's that's crazy it's insane but
it's gonna affect somebody with add's brain different than if i go and sniff an adderall
or something you know it's just different but um i don't know let me see what else we got going on
here we're at uh we're at an hour and 15 minutes bro oh that's what you're asking me about um if i
you said if i did something to the level of bevel boy or something like that oh yeah do you have
anything else like that uh i've wrote so many things it's kind of hard and you're talking about
just going in like that of what what this style i'm trying to think i know i have a song called
high note that was on the now i know album that second verse i kind of did a whole bunch of rhyme
schemes on that um i think like the third verse i'm going all out do you know your verse for
bevel boy the second one you know with me if i don't know the first couple lines i can't remember
the verse oh my god it's hard because a lot of times after i write an album that i forget
i gotta practice so good is there any song other than bevel boy that you would want if we were to
leak a track what would you want me to play i'll probably um probably i'll climb out that's a good
one i'll climb out yeah what featuring on brie yeah that's that's probably a great one because
that's kind of like you know i mean coming out of the first half of that album that i was so angry
a lot of the anger yeah after being accountable for stuff and it's like a a good way to really
tell people and not only that but it's a banger too like the drums is heavy and it goes hard to
always like harder hitting shit you know yeah so like that snap yeah has that snap to it
a good chorus on it well for people just listening so you know if you've been following gil's career
this is one of the first ones that you had the parental advisory sticker on it right
yeah in a minute it's been a while and it was just it was just more of a um because a while
ago i made a conscious decision to stop cursing in my rap for a while even though i still kept my
content adult it was always adult content and i'm not even gonna lie it came because a lot of times
early on i would have my daughter with me a lot when i had the opportunity to write and you know
you recite your stuff so i was like damn i don't want to be saying this crazy i don't want to say
this crazy shit while she's sitting right next to me so let me figure out a different way to still
say this but worded differently so the challenge came because she was right next to me and she was
a pretty content child once i got her or something but she had to sit next to me so i couldn't go
too far so i was like all right so i was like all right let me put my earpiece into here to beat
she's sitting next to me watching the show but all right so let me start writing and i would
learn and i'll be mouthing it or whatever and i didn't want her to hear me saying nothing crazy
so at least if i made it a little bit more intellectual that she couldn't process it yet
you know what i mean and i could still get my point across exactly so that's how it started
trying to like write around her that's crazy and then i kind of just stayed in there i was like oh
i don't gotta worry about making clean versions personally i feel like it's a lack of vocabulary
if you can't replace fuck yeah so i mean to say fuck to to show power yeah to show that presence
then you're just not as good of a lyricist so for me it was a challenge of finding ways to say
around it i don't think i ever recorded the n-word i definitely didn't record f-word or
anything like that i never put anything on my albums with parental advisory yeah i think with
this album since i went through so much of a like a devastating depressive i think i needed
to allow my and with my kids being a little bit older and understanding and not like knowing that
like they know they've heard adults curse and they know they're not going to walk in a room
disrespectful and cursing they know that now whereas when they were more impressionable for
that to take place that's why i was being careful about how i wrote when i had the opportunity to
write around them now like my son and my daughter ain't gonna go to work cursing even they heard me
curse you know i mean they're like that's something adults do you know they know not to be going
around not me being disrespectful you know i mean i'm bad in front of my kids you know i mean first
to admit it i mean i i mean i still do have slip-ups in front of them but i like i i control
it you know i mean like it's not like i'm not just flying off the handle or whatever because i don't
like to raise them in that type of space i want to be realistic like this how i feel and they'll
you know i'll curse here and there but i try not to be excessive with it because i don't want i
don't want them to be in that type of space i just want their energy to be good you know i mean so i
just i want to push i want their space to be way more peaceful than mine was growing up and that's
what you really want my mom i remember when i first um became a homeowner at 30 she was like
baby i'm when she was still here she's like baby i'm so proud of you because i didn't become a
homeowner till i was like 45 you did it 15 years before me that's success and when i looked at it
for an episode i was like you know what she's right she looks at me like yo you're married
and you're a homeowner by 30 i had none of that stuff at 30 and and she set me up so i was able
to accomplish that you know it's always like words so i gotta set my kids up even better
yeah i feel a battle coming on the battle of the dads yo i'm here with my kids i still have a
i still have yeah but i had a house by 30 by 30 holla at your boy instead of dad jokes have like
now that was that concept i was telling you about maybe i'll have you eventually write it for me but
we all end up at the same red light you know i had people growing up with me that it was like
oh you you're not going to this college or you're not you're not doing that you're going off with
the art you're gonna do the art thing and it was a lot of people who went i've realized that when
you compare yourself to other people like humble people are not in they're in the battle trying to
figure out how to perfect themselves they're not sitting here trying to compare themselves to
whatever like yeah i'm still gonna take some things like people oh what is he gonna be the
next joe rogan was he no that's cool we'll figure it out what is he gonna yeah there's influences
from podcasts i listen to but shout out to your brother naughty nuisance we'll throw his tag up
there um i love the track that you have with nigel uh or to nigel what's the name of that track um
you came a long way you came a long way that was a really good one and that one is literally just
bar for bar talking at nigel yeah just telling him like from like big growing him pretty much
yeah just from from a kid to him now being a father of four and just everything i've seen him
how his whole mentality changed because you know as a big brother you kind of look at your little
brother where you go through a situation you're like man i don't want to be around him he's
annoying and i gotta take him everywhere going through that to the point where he became his
own man and then we got respect and love for each other and then i seen him going through his stuff
with mommy and i had to be the mediator for a lot of the stuff they went through and then how he
started making her proud and before she passed she felt he was in a great place and i just when i
looked at all that stuff and i wrote it down i was just like yo you came a long way bro i'm proud of
you and i love you and i just felt i felt like you know what i never made a song about my brother
i was like you know this is the time because then right after that is a song about my mom so i was
like yo this is a perfect way to go from him to her you know i mean to two of the most important
people in my life ever you know i mean so that's how i felt it was just like it was the perfect
time for that madness dude it was it is really masterfully crafted listen to the album a couple
of times there's no problem listening to it front to back that's some of the problems i've had with
albums sometimes where it's like you got to listen to it in pieces you know people throw seven deep
tracks that all require you to break them down and stuff it's like i was still trying to figure
out what was going on on the last one now we're over here now this is real even starts with your
personal journey it starts with you coming to accountability and then your kind of message
from that new perspective to your family and to your loved ones so um definitely check out the
whole thing we'll make sure you know i'll time it so we can drop this so that the album is out now
i'll either drop this like the 25th or if you drop it on the 24th we'll have this part of your media
run so we'll drop it like and it's going to be on all like streaming websites is going to be
everywhere but at the same time i will be selling it on gillthompson.com as well so if you want to
support it and get it directly gill thompson.com you know i mean yeah and when you see that big
logo this man right here designed it he designed it he designed all the album covers that you're
going to see on that website let's throw up all the album covers right now shameless plug you know
we call that catalog baby yeah no definitely have a catalog between uh singles and stuff but look
out for writing to heal gil thompson on all streaming platforms now go ahead and grab that
we're gonna take a listen wrap this up here unless you got anything crazy i'm gonna play bevel boy
oh yeah i did want to give a shout out to um a man angel aka mr soundproof a murder he produced
the first um i believe five tracks on the on the album and then jock quay um aka triple threes
produced the last four you know i mean so i had two producers for the whole album you know i mean
they both of them they did they did their thing triple threes and mr soundproof they so if you
like the beats them two dudes put their foot in it they find them on instagram or what yeah you
find mr soundproof and triple threes and um um mr soundproof just spelled out is for triple threes
he puts tr3 the number three then ple3z like so he spells it unique we're gonna throw it up yeah
there's no way anyone listening on audio like man i'm not doing that it's like
Yeah. Now that works. Cool. So this is Bevel Boy off of the new album, Writing to Heal by Gil Thompson.
Yeah.
I'm driven with the focus, armed and deadly
With explosive verbal stanzas, killer grammar
A sophisticated mantra that I use
To go to war with all opposing propaganda
So, check your arsenal
All of your verbal retinue, make sure it's all
Collectively correct before you step to me
If you start dissecting me with holes in that
Directory, I'll take the life from every
Shot you send, more than vasectomies
Tossed into your face the great holocaust of a
Lost debate, I forced my hater boss whose entire
Draws up in caution tape
Two ferociously victims inside coaches
Stands approaches with a facial expression
I smell atrocious, I killed it
Yeah, let that breathe a little bit
So your mind doesn't weave in the riddle hits
My brain storms, seeks seeds in the drizzle fits
Growing mental feasts, all feed in your nipple bits
I bare my soul when my people in the tightest spot
Like instrumentals hit me with my guard down the writer's block
Go to war with them, every ball got a fighter's plot
Delete the unethical decease where the fighters rock
uh wait you said you wanted to play i climb out right yeah all right introduce the track
oh it's still playing it's going oh shit yo yo this is gil thompson got a single called i climb
out featuring brie angeli off the latest album right into hill dropping october 24th baby let's
go beneath the rubble in the darkest pits of my consciousness is where the greatest version of me
was buried but i had to crack the foundation of who i was to build who i will be with every trauma
and tragedy i clawed at the darkness until light shined in and once i got a taste of that light
i stood up and ran through won't fall too strong look at my eyes you'll see that i'm ready to rule
all reign long over my doubts i'm a weak insecurities once i came hard striking attacking
the evil that lives in me killing the source hitting the core lighting a match burning the
Corpse still here, chin high.
Knowing the route that I took was a recipe made my soul strive.
Giving me clout and with strength in my legacy, making me king.
Over my mind, focus the truth, spirit combined.
Now that I bring everything I'm meant to be through, lyrics I'm fine.
Before the record, there's many things that I have rejected and disrespected.
My mental health when I don't correct it.
My mother died from a cancer, I feel my soul's infected.
I know she's smiling on me, the heavenly angel is free.
It's hard to pray, I'm resenting God and I'm trying to shake it.
To honor what she believed and valued is very sacred.
Even if I disagree, my kids are believing in me
To God and show that to quit is never the key
In dark spaces, I seem to find out
I have the strength in me to climb out
My grip's on the edge, I keep pulling
My grip's on the edge, I keep pulling
In dark spaces, I seem to find out
I have the strength in me to climb out
I climb out, I climb out
My grip's on the edge, I keep pulling
My every finger was sliding because my spirit was hiding
Too many thoughts are colliding, bashing my soul
I'm like a zombie that's hanging, rapid deterioration
I need my soul to awaken, tighten my hold
Locked in, building muscle through my struggle
Dropping, adversaries, mental pictures I will always crop in
When I'm dealing with pain, feeling insane
Running from goals, filling my veins
Servers of hate, blocking the truth
That I could use, healing my stains
It's really getting wicked, my heart is too inflicted
And heavily addicted to vices I submitted
I really tried to quit it, I'm trapped and deeply knitted
Twisted in a pit of existence, I know my mind invented
Tired of being careless, no longer will I wear stress
Daily in my life, enhancing all of my awareness
I'm still learning, but I found my direction
Resiliency is what I'm reflecting
Dark spaces seems to find out
I have the strength in me to climb out
My grip's on the end, I keep pulling
My grip's on the end, I keep pulling
In dark space it seems I find out
I have the strength in me to climb out
I climb out, I climb out
My grip's on the edge, I keep pulling