From Loose Cannon to Lyricist: Devin Hailey's Artistic Evolution - I Will Not Lose Podcast - #0046

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[00:00:54.090] Holy shit.
[00:00:57.380] Oh, shit. I ain't never seen no shit like that.
[00:01:00.460] Like that, bro.
[00:01:01.950] He popped a bottle cap with his teeth.
[00:01:03.710] that was some movie shit i'm glad the cameras are rolling for that i'm gonna leave that in
[00:01:07.950] sound good right there all right what's up man what's going on my guy how's it going
[00:01:15.390] everything is everything bro i've been listening it's weird hearing you in speech i've been
[00:01:19.590] listening to your catalog since early this morning yeah but one thing i gotta compliment
[00:01:24.750] you on it is you could press play like if somebody's just discovering devin haley yeah
[00:01:29.910] they could press play on the first track yeah and just play through the whole catalog
[00:01:34.670] it all sounds consistent like for sure what was your first project in 2018 uh yeah moment
[00:01:41.670] uh that was actually so technically it's not my first project it's my first released project
[00:01:48.410] right like i've i've been doing this for you know a very long time um but up until that point i had
[00:01:55.970] never um like professionally released anything you know so i have i have a whole back catalog of
[00:02:04.570] over like 300 songs that are just you know there that i'm never going to do anything with that i
[00:02:10.870] have released on like hard copy old mixtapes and things like that but as far as an actual release
[00:02:16.810] you know moment was the first one for sure that's wow i was surprised it only went back to 2018 yeah
[00:02:24.230] yeah i was like i was thinking at least 10 years 2013 or something like that right right but it's
[00:02:30.030] cool and you can hear some growth like it's consistent the quality is consistent yeah i
[00:02:34.670] will say there's a little more technical in your later stuff yeah like you've been working on i
[00:02:40.290] think you've called it mathematics like yeah that's very mathematical with the flow yeah yeah
[00:02:45.050] um i was just talking with phase earlier the the pauses yeah like the cadence that uh that track
[00:02:52.910] you sent me cap yeah yeah yeah it's like perfect you like pause and go into the melody and keep
[00:02:59.930] that going that really kept my attention i was like this is fire i played it back yeah so the
[00:03:05.630] thing with that that's um that's coming out uh i don't know when this is gonna drop but it'll
[00:03:12.900] that's coming out in december i want to say um but yeah as far as the cadence goes like you said
[00:03:19.860] mathematics for me it's a lot about okay this rhymes cool we can say it in a linear way to where
[00:03:28.480] every every line you know clicks the same way but I'm very calculated with how I say things where I
[00:03:38.230] place things and like it has to make sense and I was just in the lab last night and it clicked to
[00:03:45.250] me it's like I'm always building like there's really never in my verses you never really get
[00:03:50.790] that climax it's like always a incline yeah and you'll get the punch lines and and the and the
[00:03:59.440] haymakers in there but usually i lace them within that it's never like building up to one big
[00:04:07.220] punch line it's just a constant you know except you know uh uh what i don't know the word but
[00:04:14.160] it's a constant like rise rising tension yeah exactly exactly and you just never get to that
[00:04:18.740] point so you're like on the edge of your seat waiting for it and then it's like all right that
[00:04:22.600] bar was fired that bar was fired that bar and you're waiting for the haymaker and then it hits
[00:04:26.200] you out of nowhere and there's still more to go so as far as cadence and things like that goes
[00:04:31.460] yeah i'm very calculated with my approach that way you know what i'm saying like it's that's
[00:04:36.760] very important to me the pauses and uh and uh because it's a language it's a conversation that
[00:04:41.440] we're having you know i i like to give you that time to take a step back and like oh shit yeah
[00:04:47.110] that was hard and then you jump back into it and then there's more and it's like you take a step
[00:04:50.430] back oh man all right let's go for the next one like you even account for switch yeah yeah yeah
[00:04:56.230] where does that come from i bro i kid you not i said it one day in like 2012 on a verse i was like
[00:05:04.990] oh that's fire and i just kept saying it i said it in like a hook or something like a it was either
[00:05:10.590] it was either the verse i want to say it was the hook but it might have been the verse but i played
[00:05:15.450] it for the bro because i knew it was i know it was hot but i was like that's just a one-off
[00:05:20.830] you know ad-lib then i played it for the bro and he was like yo that switch is dope because
[00:05:26.510] i try to i try to position it to where the beat is the beat is changing or the pattern is changing
[00:05:36.260] or the rhyme scheme is changing or the subject is changing so i'm very selective with it there's
[00:05:43.840] times where i just throw it out because it works and it sounds good and i'm actually
[00:05:47.400] in the process of like finding a new ad lib to use in those spots but um yeah the switch is the
[00:05:54.480] switch is kind of a a signature trademark yeah it's a trademark for sure for sure and if you
[00:05:59.900] ever heard anybody else say it you know where they got it from bro i was hoping you had an
[00:06:05.180] answer like that i hope you weren't like oh yeah you know that's the new slang that they've been
[00:06:08.680] talking for 10 years i'm like no i never that's dope that's dope so let's see we got it sounds
[00:06:13.900] consistent i want to go uh the way i have my notes i go into your latest album and then i go into top
[00:06:19.700] five but i actually want to switch that up i want to talk with uh top five first because that's kind
[00:06:25.480] of like your it's bars it's weird like when you open up with him yeah oh it's so refreshing to
[00:06:31.220] hear a structure in a freestyle yeah it's like a concept within it so for those of you that haven't
[00:06:37.780] heard it devin goes through and puts all sorts of metaphors with the word him him carrie him
[00:06:44.160] parsons i see the big bang i'm him parsons yeah that's the one that's the one and uh it was dope
[00:06:51.820] when you open up like can't even be themselves how the fuck they gonna be him yeah that just
[00:06:57.820] had me so ready for the album i'm like this is super dope so yeah to a lot of a lot of rappers
[00:07:05.880] will go out and put out a dope freestyle and it has the video they put everything together
[00:07:12.300] it's going crazy on tiktok right but it's just bar after bar yeah and i don't know i'm almost
[00:07:20.590] barred out in 2023 like i mean i'm gonna be honest with you these days i'm kind of like
[00:07:29.610] i'm sticking to my guns as far as my style goes i don't really see the industry coming back around
[00:07:36.540] to lyrical rap i just don't see it i feel like it's a little too far gone to to go back it's like
[00:07:43.960] the matrix you know everybody's just stuck there there's a select few that see the other side and
[00:07:50.680] know the other side and once they get out of the matrix they don't want to go back but the majority
[00:07:55.480] of people they're stuck there and that's okay you know not you know different strokes for different
[00:08:01.200] folks but for me it's like nothing else matters because when when it's all said and done when
[00:08:10.480] they go back in history and and study rap music and they look at the whole story the things that
[00:08:18.360] stand out and that are going to stand the test of time are the lyrical mcs we're going to be here
[00:08:24.640] forever because it's timeless saying dope shit is timeless it doesn't matter what generation you're
[00:08:31.520] in if it's fire then it's just fire and it resonates through time you know yeah so for me
[00:08:39.660] like i said nothing else matters be it a visual the hook the whatever like i i used to tell my
[00:08:47.900] i used to tell my um like the artists that are under me if we can't listen to your shit acapella
[00:08:54.640] and still be blown away what are we doing this for if you can't strip everything away and still
[00:09:01.840] be amazed something's not right and we need to figure out how to make that even with even in r&b
[00:09:10.120] a lot of r&b today you take the beat away it sounds crazy back in the day you take the beat
[00:09:16.600] away you still have incredible vocalists those are going to be the people that stand the test
[00:09:21.800] of time and that are you know those are going to be the fossils that they discovered in 50 100
[00:09:27.980] years they're gonna go back and be like oh my god like anthony hamilton was incredible you know
[00:09:34.080] what i'm saying he might he might not be popping right now you know in the world of the janae
[00:09:39.540] aiko's and the brent fias but the vocals from that man they're gonna last forever and that's
[00:09:46.600] how i feel about you know the bars and the lyrics like they're gonna last forever no matter what
[00:09:52.800] so that's that's why it's so important to me so you could almost take even the vocals out and just
[00:09:59.000] look at the lyrics written himself yeah and it's like taking a step further you know yeah yeah
[00:10:04.960] yeah scripture you know what i mean it's doesn't matter who's saying it it doesn't matter what was
[00:10:09.960] happening around it that is going to matter forever you know so yeah no i have uh i love
[00:10:17.140] that line where he says all i know is bars that talk in long sentences yeah yeah and that's a real
[00:10:22.620] so when you have the whole uh you you embody your music this is your this is your thing this is your
[00:10:31.710] you know it kind of becomes your personality it's almost duality like your personality affects the
[00:10:36.310] music and the music affects your personality for sure so it's cool to see that sort of like uh
[00:10:42.030] back and forth where just writing would make you speak more eloquently yeah or like it's a trade-off
[00:10:50.050] Yeah, no, for sure. And, um, oftentimes I find myself saying a bar and then using that in real life, like, you know, as a, as a model or a fact of life. Like I've done that oftentimes. And then a lot of times I'll be saying things in real life and then it ends up in a bar. So it's like, they, you know, they just play off of each other, you know?
[00:11:15.270] That's super dope.
[00:11:16.310] Yeah.
[00:11:16.490] Does it work as therapy for you or do you?
[00:11:20.050] Um, is it tiring? I just had this talk last night. Um, so it's, it's hard to in the latter years of
[00:11:32.440] my, you know, of doing this, it's a little hard for me to say that I love it because I know
[00:11:39.020] everything that comes with it. I know the headache that comes with it. It's like a lot of people are
[00:11:44.720] in jobs and careers that they are very you know interested in but after a while it's like
[00:11:53.530] do i love it still now i do it at the rate that i do it because i feel like it's a disservice
[00:12:03.560] to the culture and the art form and the people around me to not because i got i've gotten this
[00:12:10.690] good so to stop is like what are you doing you know makes sense but at the same time
[00:12:18.240] it is a lot of work like a lot of people don't know or realize like my close circle knows but
[00:12:26.800] i don't write any of this down like this is all done in my head like i don't i haven't written
[00:12:32.520] a single verse in like it's 2023 probably like 14 15 years with all your lyrics you don't write
[00:12:40.740] anything down i don't write anything down it's all put together in my head and like i don't
[00:12:45.800] freestyle it just coming off you know i don't just rapidly just go ah okay so that's still
[00:12:51.820] impressive so i'll get in there and i'll do 12 bars in my head lay it down maybe come back and
[00:12:59.600] do eight bars lay it down sometimes i do two bars and then like sometimes i'll do 30 bars and lay it
[00:13:06.260] but either way it's not nothing is being written so with that that's not easy because i'm really
[00:13:13.660] in there in real like that whole top five project what people don't realize is that that's that
[00:13:21.470] wasn't premeditated and i wasn't sitting at home taking my time writing it and you know what goes
[00:13:28.640] like no I'm really in the in the lab going bar for bar like what like the bars that are in there
[00:13:37.560] is what came to me in that moment in the studio in the studio you know so those four minute verses
[00:13:44.440] those were real right there right then and there I didn't have those written for a month and then
[00:13:49.560] go in and record it and make it sound hot like no those are those are one takes those are first
[00:13:56.440] takes and i just go so that's work in itself a lot of people don't realize that um i kind of
[00:14:05.660] i'm a little envious to artists that write still because you have the freedom to do it anywhere
[00:14:13.560] i don't i don't do that like i might come up with a bar here and there i might come up with an idea
[00:14:19.220] or a scheme here and there but a lot of times those bars don't make it into the actual song
[00:14:23.240] because once i'm in the lab i'm not feeling that anymore so it makes sense yeah a lot of other
[00:14:28.280] artists they have that advantage that they could just sit and write for five hours a day and they
[00:14:33.520] gotta you know a thousand verses and this and that me it's like not i'm what you what you see
[00:14:39.820] is what you get in real time you know so um yeah it's uh it's work so with that you got to think
[00:14:48.890] about it and it's like all right am i having fun not necessarily because i'm making sure like
[00:14:56.160] everything is calculated i'm making sure what i say is fire you know what i mean um and that's
[00:15:02.680] where the whole idea of the project came from but no fun intended like yeah it's a it's the game
[00:15:09.000] so it's presented and it's made out to look like it's fun but in all reality there's no fun
[00:15:15.870] intended in this whole lifestyle you know and i mean it's work you know yeah no i can respect that
[00:15:22.690] i um i've seen the i've seen the work i've seen how long it takes and you know even then you're
[00:15:32.110] still at the point where you have the freedom to release and choose your dates yeah um nothing's
[00:15:39.410] going to be held for a long time so the fact that you make it fresh if you will that's actually
[00:15:43.870] pretty dope so people can follow yeah follow and go from there um well die for me that's not on top
[00:15:52.690] four that's on the actual album yeah that's on the album that's my favorite track of all time
[00:15:57.970] so much um just from the beat the beats like hypnotic as soon as you get into it yeah and
[00:16:06.350] then i don't know it's a little bit like a slower cadence but every every word mattered
[00:16:12.950] and then that switch yeah you had the the tiktok or the real going of that switch uh that's what
[00:16:21.290] had that was the hook for me to the album yeah you know what i mean so it's just it's interesting to
[00:16:26.910] to do those switch ups and big shout out to your producer face yeah um you know blending stuff and
[00:16:34.550] just being able to make something playable all the way through yeah you know what i mean for
[00:16:40.830] sure some of it even has a little r&b vibe do you sing i do i do is that you on i choose you
[00:16:47.550] yeah yeah wow okay i do all my hooks the only hook that i well there's a few hooks that i haven't
[00:16:54.430] done um and usually i'm going to if it's not laguita jay who's on my latest project who's
[00:17:02.210] incredible as well um if it's not her then i'm going to um black rose who is a writer producer
[00:17:11.110] he's written um for casey and jojo he was running around my dad and my uncle for a while and he had
[00:17:17.970] his thing going um he's now working with his son the roses just he's an incredible he's an
[00:17:24.850] incredible vocalist and he's an uncle to me he's like an uncle to me so um if it's not him or
[00:17:30.990] then i'm doing i'm doing my hooks yeah i've i've um i've i've take very much pride in um
[00:17:40.970] my approach and my ability to write and uh perform vocally you know in a in a in a in a more melodic
[00:17:50.130] um realm not just doing the auto-tune thing and all of that like no i'm yeah no you were singing
[00:17:56.910] i'm stacking vocals i'm doing stuff like that but that's where i come from like with my dad
[00:18:01.670] and things like that like i do have some shoes to fill with that so if i'm gonna do it i have to do
[00:18:06.450] it the right way because of the legacy you know what i mean ah that's fair enough man yeah that's
[00:18:11.950] cool you could definitely tell you respect the craft there's a lot of stuff with um just just
[00:18:17.090] callbacks and things like even the track 15 20 sedgwick yeah ave to to name it that and yeah go
[00:18:24.050] and then have like the the beat with the bells that was uh that was dope um so thank you for that
[00:18:30.530] for sure um i want to see let's yo do you know what's funny five three i was trying to figure
[00:18:37.290] out what the hell that meant i was trying to figure out the significance i was going through
[00:18:42.130] i was like man that's maybe something i gotta listen back to and see and it's very much on the
[00:18:48.090] nose i was like i was writing my i was writing it down and i was gonna ask you and then i'm like
[00:18:54.110] oh shit top five volume three that's funny yeah but i definitely enjoyed that project i listened
[00:19:01.330] to it a whole bunch of times and then it had me ready for the new ones now i had heard of you i
[00:19:07.810] had heard your music in bits and pieces yeah i never went and checked out a full album i never
[00:19:13.150] checked any of that until earlier this year yeah so that's cool anybody that hasn't listened to
[00:19:18.770] there's plenty of catalog to go back from and none of it's it's almost better because if you
[00:19:25.280] had stuff from 15 years ago it's hard to tell somebody go back and listen to the first thing
[00:19:30.220] especially if they're attracted to what you're putting out now exactly that's why i had to shout
[00:19:35.200] out the consistency so i want to get into the latest album in which you got way more personal
[00:19:41.320] yeah than just being a rapper you know this was the story this was like uh you had the track
[00:19:48.240] Harris versus Haley yeah for sure for sure always so intro like did the introspective
[00:19:56.310] interest I don't even know how to say it like did you become introspective over time
[00:20:00.450] yeah I did um I was a I was a loose cannon back in the day um and when I say back in the day I
[00:20:09.020] really mean like five six years ago um I was a little off the rails kind of lost didn't really
[00:20:14.440] know where i was where i was going wasn't really taking heed to where i've been um and i and i you
[00:20:23.420] know that affected relationships friendships that affected my mental um and it wasn't until this
[00:20:31.130] past year or two where i really took a step back and said okay you're really grown up now
[00:20:38.810] what are you actually doing with not even your life with yourself with your physical body what
[00:20:47.820] are you actually doing um and it's not it's never easy to open up like that especially in a in a
[00:20:56.120] public form as you know like an album or mixtape whatever you want to call it um but it was
[00:21:04.520] something that was needed i had a few projects that i did before this that i scrapped um like
[00:21:11.460] completely scrapped because it still wasn't as personal as i knew i needed to get for myself
[00:21:19.260] yeah like i had to give myself a therapy session and the songs that i was doing they're great songs
[00:21:25.640] they're gonna release you know eventually um they're just evergreen songs they're just good
[00:21:32.440] they're timeless right but i knew like okay that's not enough you can dig way deeper and and really
[00:21:43.100] tell your story and people have been telling me for years like oh you got a story you got to tell
[00:21:48.580] it and i'm like nah i'm gonna wait till the time is right and it's like no there's never a right
[00:21:52.840] time because the story is ongoing so it's like yeah you know even whatever story you tell right
[00:22:00.100] now five years from now you there's going to be more to add to it so just let it let it go you
[00:22:06.360] know what i mean um and yeah just just changing environments and changing the people that i was
[00:22:14.400] around really made me look at things and say okay no matter where you are you're still dragging all
[00:22:23.260] this with you you gotta let it off you gotta get it out you could change you could go anywhere
[00:22:29.470] you're still you no matter where you are and until you identify that and let it out and cleanse
[00:22:38.180] you're gonna remain in those patterns and and and with those habits so with a joint like harris
[00:22:46.550] versus haley that's really me looking at it like okay devin haley's this way devin harris is this
[00:22:53.850] way because haley's my dad's last name harris is my mom's last name but i have my mom's last name
[00:22:59.110] that's my government that's my given name devin harris devin haley is the stage name so you know
[00:23:05.730] the duality of that the dynamic of that is like okay you've been being devin haley for a very long
[00:23:11.710] time but that's not actually you though now you have to show them who devin harris is and then
[00:23:20.700] you can always go back to devin haley but devin harris is like scratching the like he's trying
[00:23:28.420] to get out yeah you know so i had to let him out and that's where you get a project like no fun
[00:23:34.260] intended super cool man super cool now do you know what the song that hit me the hardest was
[00:23:42.210] liquid intentions yeah yeah yeah some of my listeners know and stuff i'm an alcoholic okay
[00:23:48.270] so i'm actually going on two years january will be two years so i'm like uh i'm it's been a while
[00:23:55.850] since i had my last drink yeah and so that struggle that listening to it even the chorus
[00:24:02.070] when you know what i mean like you talk about your pops it was like it was just super personal
[00:24:08.000] i'm like and that's a lot to go out and put like my listeners listeners know but there's going to
[00:24:13.300] be people that hear that take and they're like oh shit i had no idea you know what i mean i don't
[00:24:18.020] really put it out there like that but to hear some of your earlier music yeah where you're talking
[00:24:23.720] about uh drinking smoking you know what i mean it's like it was crazy to hear that evolution
[00:24:29.820] where it's like okay it's like you don't regret the choices you make like i don't wish to shut
[00:24:36.200] my past away or anything like that but that was cool yeah you gotta like go on that i mean
[00:24:43.620] i'm not gonna i'm not gonna act like i like i'm you know i'm not perfect right i still do enjoy
[00:24:52.850] my bruise i still don't enjoy the twist one at the end of the night if i'm in the lab i'm doing both
[00:24:58.590] you know um but as i said it you know it comes a point where you have to identify
[00:25:05.280] your shortcomings and the decisions that you're actually making yeah and you know that is the
[00:25:12.810] root of change if you if you can at least identify a problem or the problem you're on your way to
[00:25:20.190] changing it might take you another 20 years but at least you know that okay this is a choice now
[00:25:26.830] i'm choosing to live like this it's not i'm not just going with the wind no i'm choosing to do
[00:25:33.250] this i may or may not have a problem but i'm choosing to do it i know that that exists with
[00:25:40.850] a song like liquid intentions that's me that's it's i don't want to say it's like a cry for help
[00:25:47.470] because it's it's really not but it's me just making people aware like okay this is my reality
[00:25:56.380] i feel like i gotta get by you know i like that's just how i feel like because it's bored
[00:26:03.140] grab a brewski you know what i'm saying and that's where that comes from i think that
[00:26:09.660] what makes that song so intriguing is also the beat how it's more of a like you wouldn't expect
[00:26:17.670] that subject matter on that beat that beat is a more playful beat yeah yeah the cadence is a
[00:26:23.750] is a lot more you know jumpy you know back and forth um so yeah that that song is very important
[00:26:32.520] to me too because that's something i've never touched on in music and um i still do the bars
[00:26:39.120] where i'm rapping about the beers and i just had a bar last night i said um i said like 40 in the
[00:26:46.130] car we gonna tilt that whole shit uh my bro got the bricks he done built this whole shit you know
[00:26:51.650] stuff like that but that's devin haley talking to you that's that's devin haley with the bars
[00:26:57.730] saying that devin harris is gonna say you know if my pops could get over it i can you know what i
[00:27:04.550] mean it's kind of like get out of here devin haley like devin haley is like the devil on my shoulder
[00:27:09.050] pretty much you know what i mean like he keeps me but i need it i need him because that's the spark
[00:27:16.630] you know devin harris doesn't have much of a spark devin harris wants to be at home with his girl
[00:27:21.490] with his kids watching you know the avengers and and all of that devin haley wants to be outside
[00:27:28.890] and be on stage somewhere and you know things like that so it's like i said the duality you
[00:27:34.230] know that's that's really it's the driving force of the project and songs like that you know yeah
[00:27:40.730] it's like oh man there is a lot of conflict and going back and forth yeah that actually just hit
[00:27:47.430] me right now yeah i listened to it a bunch of times that's wild yeah but um i wanted to get
[00:27:53.830] into the plan that's probably my favorite off this album if not i mean that for me is dope
[00:28:00.970] But like you said, when people are really looking to do your autobiography to figure out who was this person, who was this artist and deep dive, they're going to listen to the plan.
[00:28:10.950] Exactly.
[00:28:11.130] They're going to be like, this is a really big part of his life.
[00:28:15.170] You know what I mean?
[00:28:16.130] So you want to go for people that haven't listened to, and we'll get into listening to some music in a second, but for people that haven't listened to the plan, you want to go on that, like the concept behind it?
[00:28:24.610] Yes. So if I'm being 100 percent honest, ever since I made the move to to California, it kind of put a strain on my personal relationships.
[00:28:42.090] Some friends, some family, but mainly my kids, mainly my oldest.
[00:28:51.580] He knows he knows what's up. He knows he's not a baby.
[00:28:56.260] he knows when you're there he's no he knows when you're not you know what i'm saying he's a very
[00:28:59.820] he's a very bright and sharp kid and like i said there's there's a bit of a strain on the
[00:29:07.480] relationship and it's kind of a it's a tough it's a tough conversation to have with the child
[00:29:15.010] yeah because they don't get it they all they get is what they see and don't see so you can say
[00:29:22.370] oh i'm just going for a little bit i'll be back they hear that yeah but you're not there so it
[00:29:30.820] really doesn't even matter what you're actually saying to them um and and with the with the plan
[00:29:37.800] it was like okay because that's another thing i don't really talk about my kids a lot in my music
[00:29:44.040] i might mention but i don't talk about them because it's just personal and devin haley is
[00:29:51.150] not a very personal guy like nobody really knows much about Devin Haley so with the plan it was
[00:29:56.770] like all right I want to do this but I got to do it in the right way I don't want to talk about my
[00:30:01.430] kids I don't want to I have this thing where I tell people like stop talking above the topic
[00:30:07.670] like like stop talking about the topic and talk to the person or this or the issue like solve the
[00:30:17.430] issue with your words don't talk about the don't talk about the issue i don't know if i'm even
[00:30:22.980] wording that right but i didn't want to talk about them i wanted to talk to them right and
[00:30:29.240] and that's a theme in a lot of my music like you hear a lot of use i don't do a lot of they
[00:30:35.530] you know and i mean it's very direct my bars and i feel like that's why they resonate with people
[00:30:40.290] a lot because i'm talking directly to the person right um so with that it's like yeah let me talk
[00:30:46.570] to them and let me just bear it i'm gonna just bear it all you know i'm gonna touch on everything
[00:30:52.050] that i can within that three four minutes and the crazy part about that song is that second verse
[00:30:59.430] which is like like 24 bars 28 bars or something like that i only had half of it and i was gonna
[00:31:05.510] i sent it all i sent it to phase to mix then i was like nah it doesn't feel right okay it felt
[00:31:13.600] incomplete so i actually went in and added um like a another 16 or excuse me or whatever to the uh
[00:31:21.780] to the verse and um yeah that song is very important to me and i wasn't sure how people
[00:31:26.950] were gonna react to it i thought it was gonna be like man get out of here we all got situations
[00:31:32.290] with our our kids and all i might want to hear that but um the reception from it is actually
[00:31:37.350] very warming like that's the one song that always comes back and people are like yo nah that's the
[00:31:41.350] one that's the that's the one i like the most and i didn't think it was going to be that one so
[00:31:45.130] i think that's really dope and i actually showed it to my youngest before it was done before that
[00:31:50.230] last part of the second verse was done and it brought him to tears the kid was seven years
[00:31:54.630] old it brought him to tears so i was i said okay yeah if if i could bring a seven-year-old kid to
[00:31:59.870] to tears you know by talking to him on a song i think i'm doing i think i know what i'm doing
[00:32:05.110] here, you know? Yeah, no, it's super relatable. I have, uh, my son's been on the podcast. I'm in
[00:32:12.270] his life, but he hasn't lived with me for years now. And so, um, especially it's like, you know,
[00:32:19.510] the time you want to spend with him, especially with the holiday coming up and things like that.
[00:32:23.270] But I actually, uh, I left for a performance on his birthday on his, um, I think it was a second
[00:32:31.270] or a third might even been later than that but you know i did the party thing and then left
[00:32:36.730] afterwards and went to new york and poets cafe and performed and it just hit me shortly after that
[00:32:42.690] like what am i doing you know what i mean it'd be one thing if this was paying some sort of bills
[00:32:49.490] or doing something that i could justify this is why i'm doing it but i'm really you know at least
[00:32:55.390] for me i was having fun yeah you know it was like i had to be somewhere else which is ironic because
[00:33:00.970] now my son's 13 he wishes i still spit like uh right i mean i mess around and do a little
[00:33:06.650] something here and there he loves it so i'm like you know maybe but uh but yeah no so that was
[00:33:13.730] a lot i mean for it to relate to me for as much of the album to relate to me i know it relates to
[00:33:20.210] a lot of people right right even if they don't man even if people aren't alcoholics people drink
[00:33:24.990] and everybody's had a night where they're like man did i drink too much what am i doing why did
[00:33:29.490] like that's not who i want to be or something so it wasn't uh it wasn't like you don't got to be
[00:33:36.430] hardcore to go into that or anything like that right but one of the things i appreciate about
[00:33:41.930] your mastery of the craft is you paint a picture like whether it be the samples with the beats or
[00:33:50.010] whatever but at the one part you were talking about like uh it was seven past eleven dada was
[00:33:56.150] spitting um yeah i felt like i was and i think that came right after the dada verse or that was
[00:34:03.110] in the feeling what was the other song we were talking about the track list i would have to look
[00:34:08.310] at um yeah so the thing with the thing with bro with dada so he just came home he just did a bit
[00:34:17.780] he came home after like four years three or four years um so i had to get him on that joint and
[00:34:23.540] then a lot of a lot of what i do is like easter eggs there's a lot of easter eggs in my in my
[00:34:29.380] bars so i'm gonna say dada was doing this x y and z so people are like yo who's dada yeah who's that
[00:34:39.080] guy he was spitting it was it was hot i gotta hear that i gotta hear this guy yeah then the track
[00:34:45.120] comes on with him right right and then um yeah with the with the uh the seven past eleven and
[00:34:50.360] that liquor was hitting i love doing that i love involving the people around me in in my bars and
[00:34:57.000] just telling the story whether it's whether i'm just making it up or it actually happened yeah
[00:35:02.100] you know i just love i love doing that and i love i love continuity like like i said i'm a huge fan
[00:35:08.100] i'm a nerd bro like i love i love wrestling i love you know superhero movies and comic book you know
[00:35:14.820] so yeah those stories never end and i feel like i'm telling like when you rap if you're doing it
[00:35:21.260] the right way you're telling a never-ending story so things like that is like that's like a that's
[00:35:27.540] like a like a play-by-play breakdown of an episode in this story you know what i mean so i really
[00:35:33.420] enjoy doing joints like that you know walking you through a night of what went what went down or
[00:35:39.440] how i was feeling that night in that specific time you know what i mean it's i find pure
[00:35:44.380] enjoyment in that i really do that was cool the other thing you always fall back onto and i don't
[00:35:49.560] have this written down but uh being in the studio with moccasins or flip-flops yeah or something
[00:35:55.530] like that's real like it's real you know what i mean like i'm really walking around the lab
[00:36:01.010] tank top messy hair's all messed up like the bar sound pristine but if you were to see me in the
[00:36:08.370] lab you're like yo this guy's a bum what is he doing that won't make the tiktok yeah
[00:36:14.310] i see you just pull the hoodie and zip it when you do the tiktok no that's how i am when i'm
[00:36:19.610] designing but i um i say in my intro i say um you know if youtube if you're watching in thanks for
[00:36:27.490] giving me a reason to get dressed because like when you're on and i choose to do a video version
[00:36:32.050] of this podcast but it could be just audio you know what i mean i could do it remote and have
[00:36:37.330] people not even here but i'm like no you know i want to put together i want to have hot water on
[00:36:41.930] for the tea i want to make it and then the next time you come through it's like just open the door
[00:36:47.130] and come downstairs exactly it's it's it's family so that's at least the show or the environment
[00:36:53.350] the network that i try to create but yeah man i could definitely see uh the feeling in my head
[00:36:59.970] we could get into some music in a second i didn't i didn't run a timer so i don't know how long
[00:37:04.590] we've been running but we'll uh we could throw on some music do you uh if you throw it on your
[00:37:12.010] phone i could add it in post i could do that uh you want to listen to some old shit or some new
[00:37:16.670] shit um so i got i'm working on the tape i'm working on greedy season two i sent you um
[00:37:25.920] the one we sent you the one i sent you earlier what was that the cap and uh secret secret secret
[00:37:36.260] secret recipe yeah yeah i don't want to play that one that one if it's not finished don't
[00:37:41.880] if it's not finished don't uh yeah let's do let's do one of the one of the mixes so the thing with
[00:37:47.680] the with those mixes that i just the cap joint um we're actually and this will probably drop
[00:37:56.230] before so this will probably be like the first uh announcement of it but um we're actually
[00:38:01.610] launching the deluxe version of uh no fun intended we're adding i think i'm adding five
[00:38:07.150] i think it's five but it might be six songs oh wow yeah so um just songs that didn't really
[00:38:13.710] make the cut but still fit the the overarching you know story and do like a disc too right
[00:38:20.840] something like that so like even with the song cap um what if i told you i'm famous i see your
[00:38:27.440] life is simple let me change it but the whole song is pretty much me saying how much too far away
[00:38:34.480] like i'm not doing a long distance relationship kind of thing and that your geography is a problem
[00:38:40.900] right yeah and that that fits into the whole no fun intended like you want things to work for you
[00:38:47.000] and you have this idea in your mind that it's just going to be easy but then geography plays a part
[00:38:54.260] you're always i'm i'm always moving around you're in one spot you can't come out all the time i
[00:39:01.700] can't make it to you all the time I'm I'm always doing things you know so just um I hope the one
[00:39:07.080] thing that people take away from this is that us artists it's not all fun and games you know in the
[00:39:12.520] industry and it's really hard to maintain those relationships and to get people to trust that you
[00:39:18.490] actually care about them and do love them because it's actions speak louder than words but I feel
[00:39:25.690] like as an artist a lot of times the words mean more than the actions because you're restricted
[00:39:32.060] there's only so much you can do because you're pretty much an on-call entertainer you know um
[00:39:39.680] so yeah i i hope that people can take that away but now i'll play the cap joint because i i love
[00:39:44.900] that i love that song i'm gonna uh my phone's recording but i was going back and forth with
[00:39:50.000] phase on that cap john this morning yeah let's just i'll i'll show you off camera what i was
[00:39:55.360] talking with him about yeah it's a it's a it's for sure a joint bro like i i love it i love the
[00:40:00.740] Yeah, I think so. I don't put it on.
[00:40:55.860] and flowers they die by the time they got to your door good lord if they even found you
[00:41:00.200] i love everything about you besides your geographical location sweetie that's a
[00:41:04.780] complication love is music let's make a compilation but you won't have to hop on the interstate then
[00:41:11.140] let me know which airline you taking how long you staying this ain't no vacation
[00:41:16.460] i'm way too grown for a vacation i know you wait too long to stay patient i ain't one of the
[00:41:23.480] niggas that just blazes and stays in the days while he plays his playstation come fuck with
[00:41:28.560] the bed is way spacious you got the white load i'll be the way station
[00:41:33.240] but if i told you i'm famous i see your life is baby put me on your plate i just want to roll
[00:42:02.500] mine to be around girl i love it when you talk spicy baby don't hurt me you strike but you too
[00:42:12.070] far too far away yeah here tomorrow but gone today uh uh for days i was puffing haze i drank a shit
[00:42:20.050] load watching this relationship go up in a blaze i had something to say but why did it just slip
[00:42:26.110] my mind you got me lost i'm stuck in my ways i promise you there's gonna come a day when i pick
[00:42:31.410] up the phone and you say you on your way but if you can't stay long then don't stay baby girl i
[00:42:37.900] joke but i don't play it's black or white girl there ain't no shades of gray you 50,000 miles
[00:42:42.860] away this ain't no 50 shades of gray love is blind but I ain't trying to find my way if I
[00:42:47.620] could fly I wouldn't fly to you I'd probably fly away you think you got a lock on me you want to
[00:42:53.320] play but the pause for you is stopping me switch my life is a prophecy if you ain't here to look
[00:42:59.180] me in my eyes then you not for me what if I told you I'm famous I see your life is simple let me
[00:43:03.560] change it baby put me on your playlist I told you I'm evil I just want to roll my diesel don't want
[00:43:10.360] to be around people and you just like me girl i love it when you talk spicy baby don't hurt me
[00:43:16.320] you striking but you're too far too far you're too far you're too far away yeah here tomorrow
[00:43:22.340] but gone today i'll play another one off the uh off the deluxe that was cap coming off the deluxe
[00:43:29.840] that's not the name of it though that's not the name of it that's just so the way it works is
[00:43:34.520] phase just names his shit random random words and letter combinations right yeah that's how
[00:43:41.260] he names his beats so it's the hardest thing dev cap underscore oh three it's hard it's so hard for
[00:43:47.240] me to go in because i'll be in the lab with him and he'll make a beat or he'll play a beat and
[00:43:51.760] i'm like yo that's fire and he's like yeah i'm not feeling it i'm like all right and i try to
[00:43:55.380] remember it and then i pull up the folder and it's just 10 000 random words and it's like i'm
[00:44:00.800] never gonna find that beat you know what i mean so i don't name the songs until they release okay
[00:44:06.800] like i don't i'm not the guy that's like yeah i want to name a song this and then write a song
[00:44:13.320] about that it's like now whatever i say i'm gonna find something in the song and then name it that
[00:44:20.020] or when it would have joined like 15 20 sedgwick there's nothing to name it so i just gotta name
[00:44:25.460] it something significant a joint like five three there's nothing to name that i gotta name it
[00:44:30.320] something that just makes sense you know what i mean so that's that's usually the last piece of
[00:44:34.920] the puzzle whenever i'm put i'll have that the artwork the track list and then the day that i'm
[00:44:39.860] putting it out the day i'm uploading it it's like all right what the fuck am i gonna do
[00:44:43.100] as well yeah i'll play one more i did this back then and i just cleaned it up and made it you know
[00:45:06.130] fit what i got going on now but yeah this has been laying around for a while
[00:45:10.010] You never lied to me, you told me you fell asleep on ice
[00:45:33.080] Let me catch the vibe, uh, give it back, intensified
[00:45:54.680] Thinking about you was intellectual exercise
[00:45:57.620] I left for time but then I came back, uh, wish I could erase that, uh
[00:46:01.280] I left you with teardrops, uh, now I gotta face that, yeah
[00:46:04.240] Round and round we go, this shit is like a racetrack, uh
[00:46:07.240] No matter how long we drive, we on our way back, uh
[00:46:10.200] We had some great chats cause I know you from way back, uh
[00:46:13.120] I gave you food for thought, and baby you ate that up
[00:46:16.100] We talked about the world, you said what you hate and love
[00:46:19.200] And while we was making love, you let me know how special I am
[00:46:23.360] Give me the green light, I need life, I want you
[00:46:26.180] But I know I don't need you and that don't seem right
[00:46:28.740] Switch, and as fucked up as it may sound
[00:46:31.580] I don't pick up cause you stay down and maybe I don't deserve you
[00:46:35.260] I'm not thinking straight so I curve you, you
[00:46:37.620] Been through enough, I can't hurt you
[00:46:39.600] Can't have that on my mental so I tread gentle
[00:46:42.020] Or don't tread at all
[00:46:43.340] I don't wanna get involved and get it wrong
[00:46:45.700] Blame it on my pride
[00:46:46.840] Your presence is desired if you oblige
[00:46:49.380] I'ma be right there with you while you arrive
[00:46:52.240] I'm dead to you, but you too can thrive
[00:46:55.300] A mind is the best place to be alive
[00:46:58.160] I took a ride, I'm sliding with the tribe
[00:47:01.020] This game is do or die, I don't think you'd survive
[00:47:04.080] How many times will I let it die?
[00:47:06.900] And you let it slide
[00:47:08.020] At least I'm honest with you, yeah
[00:47:10.140] you never lied you fell asleep on but i never closed my eyes i think that's like the second
[00:47:38.800] time i listened to that mix too that's crazy i had like uh like it wasn't a poppy feel it was
[00:47:44.650] like uh like i would say more commercial than poppy like it uh yeah that could go i could hear
[00:47:52.110] that on radio yeah um yeah for sure for sure i was just having a talk with uh with the bros last
[00:47:57.970] night about the word mainstream and it's like you know everything is mainstream if you put the money
[00:48:06.370] behind it yeah and put it and put it in people's faces it then becomes mainstream yeah they don't
[00:48:12.600] like get together and conspire on this is going to be the sound for the next 10 years like they do
[00:48:18.380] but as far as artists go we're in a position now where we're all on the same spotify we're all on
[00:48:25.440] same apple music if we just put the money behind it we're all mainstream there's there's really
[00:48:32.180] there's really no such thing as underground anymore because it's available for the world
[00:48:38.880] no matter like underground used to be you can only find it in barbershops yeah yeah yeah in
[00:48:45.540] in corner stores corner store the five dollar mixtapes right now underground is just your beat
[00:48:51.620] selection and your rapping style so it's more of a genre than a category now and it's like it used
[00:48:58.040] to be underground and mainstream now like i'm on the same platforms as jay-z like yeah and and i'm
[00:49:04.440] only using him because he's like the let's use drake i'm on you're on the same platforms as
[00:49:09.300] drake right yeah drake and beyonce you're on the exact same platforms as them how are you not
[00:49:15.880] mainstream the only thing that makes it not mainstream is you're not putting the money
[00:49:21.140] behind it yeah yeah yeah you know what i mean because if if little uzi does a boom bat beat
[00:49:27.120] tomorrow and puts it on the radio then that's a mainstream hit it's a little uzi yeah you know
[00:49:33.450] what i'm saying so it's more so just what you're doing with the actual music that makes it
[00:49:38.030] mainstream than anything i feel like a lot of people get wrapped up in the idea like yo i'm not
[00:49:42.590] i gotta make you don't gotta make nothing you just gotta put the money behind it i just look
[00:49:46.890] at it as like what the most people would like like and there's a reason why they choose what
[00:49:51.690] to put the money behind you know what i mean so if i go and i look at like uh like an underground
[00:49:57.890] uh you know i fucking love underground music yeah so you go and you have like uh
[00:50:04.410] i'm trying to think like not everybody could listen to everybody you know what i mean
[00:50:09.490] rock marcy you know rock marcy right i don't know he's fire um put me on you know he's fire
[00:50:16.350] he's fire but yeah like i don't know i just look at it differently because like if everybody could
[00:50:20.870] listen to it versus like you know i mean if you played it for a hundred people my i i agree but
[00:50:27.930] my approach is if all the top rappers just start making boom bap then that's the popular sound
[00:50:37.210] because yeah who who else is gonna who else are y'all gonna listen to besides the most popular
[00:50:45.480] rappers you know what i'm saying like the artists are in control of you know what gets heard and
[00:50:54.590] what what crosses over yeah the labels and and and the powers that be for sure but it's like
[00:51:00.790] if if everybody stopped smoking crack if everybody stopped doing drugs tomorrow the drug problem is
[00:51:07.240] done if everybody just stopped buying drugs from dealers drug dealers would not exist like it's
[00:51:15.440] it's that black and white that's really how i look at things so if all the artists band together
[00:51:22.560] and create a union if all the drakes and all the kendricks and the coals and they said yo we're
[00:51:27.080] only doing this you can't tell me nothing they can't i'm only doing this the whole culture changes
[00:51:36.500] the artists are still in control the listeners think they're in control when they say oh nobody
[00:51:41.860] want to hear that shit no you don't want to hear that because if drake starts doing only boom bat
[00:51:47.120] and you're a diehard drake fan then guess what you then become a fan of boom bat yeah because
[00:51:55.000] you don't have the choice actually now you think you do because you can turn off whoever and turn
[00:52:00.520] on whoever but like i said if they're all doing one thing and that's the same thing with trap
[00:52:04.880] everybody's doing trap so now we have it in our minds that that's the mainstream yeah but if
[00:52:11.580] everybody just pivots and switches to something else then that's the new you know so the artists
[00:52:17.060] are really in control that's if i could walk away today without you know was saying one thing
[00:52:21.620] one heavy thing it's like artists you have the control to make whatever it is you make you might
[00:52:27.800] not be the next kodak black you might not have that appeal but nobody's tombstone is going to
[00:52:36.710] read he was lit yeah yeah like people's tombstone is gonna say an intelligent man a wise man a
[00:52:46.100] thoughtful person but if you're not being that then you're just lit and nobody's putting that
[00:52:51.760] on tombstones it's just gonna say your name and you're gonna die for nothing you know what i mean
[00:52:57.180] so i don't know that's that's just how i look at it you know they try to they try to put artists
[00:53:02.780] they try to pigeonhole artists and put them in a corner and try to put them in there oh you need
[00:53:06.940] i got a writer i'm bringing a writer in fuck you bringing a writer in for have you not heard
[00:53:11.540] my hooks on my other joints that like the reason i'm here in your studio is because you trust my
[00:53:19.660] judgment the fuck are you bringing in a writer for or because you think i need you you want me to
[00:53:26.340] make that kind of shit that's what it is you know what i mean so yeah that'll well the artists are
[00:53:32.720] control and i heard you on phases show talking about that like if you have a music put that out
[00:53:38.000] because the the listener could be connected with the artist now you know what i mean like people
[00:53:42.320] are searching for stuff that sounds like your stuff if they you know even spotify has a great
[00:53:47.320] way of recommending underground artists like i would have never thought but i i've been their
[00:53:51.540] ai dj and it gives me somebody new that absolutely that i've never heard of behind something i was
[00:53:57.360] like that's that's pretty cool yeah for sure but for sure i want to um i'm gonna start landing the
[00:54:04.080] plane here soon i think this is a great great uh talk yeah got to go through some music get to know
[00:54:10.320] a little bit about you yourself yeah uh where can people find you and what do you have coming up
[00:54:15.400] that you want to plug um right now we're uh rolling out greedy season two um or volume two
[00:54:22.240] i don't know it'll probably just be two because i got the top five volume series um so we're doing
[00:54:26.160] greedy season two and then we're doing a no fun intended deluxe edition um and we're gonna have
[00:54:32.240] some dope things to go with that as far as like merch and and different types of you know hard
[00:54:38.280] copies and things like that um so those two i got a few more singles dropping at the top of the year
[00:54:44.520] and um i don't know if you've seen but i i'm starting to roll out my diesel 991 productions
[00:54:50.860] uh uh i saw that but i didn't know what that was yeah so the yellow and black yeah it's it's
[00:54:56.680] pretty much just right now it's just a small production company that i'm launching um i have
[00:55:02.460] a few artists that that i'm going to launch under that um and of course phase is involved in the you
[00:55:08.970] know the producing and stuff like that and um my guy bud mugger he's doing some of the producing
[00:55:14.210] too um but yeah i got a few i got a few artists that i'm trying to launch under that uh really
[00:55:20.370] just to um plant my feet in the more administrative branch of the industry okay um because i'm just
[00:55:29.780] getting to the point in my career where i want to help and i feel like i have a lot a lot of
[00:55:33.220] knowledge that i could pass on yeah man um and i could say hey you don't do that try it try it this
[00:55:40.320] way let let me do this for you if you like it you like it cool take it you know what i mean just
[00:55:44.420] things like that um and of course it's my guy data who i'm going to be working with uh my original
[00:55:51.300] group from back in the day that i that i started home entertainment i'm relaunching that and that's
[00:55:56.560] all my bros that i used to rap with um yeah so it's just just things like that they're going to
[00:56:02.560] be all over the greedy season two mixtapes you're going to hear from them soon and um yeah just
[00:56:07.520] diesel home entertainment and greedy season two no fun intended deluxe and yeah damn man that's a
[00:56:15.280] lot of shit yeah no it's got a lot going on i'm like i'm i'm very i'm in a point now where
[00:56:21.360] i want to i i want to work like i said i'm i'm this good for a reason and i feel like i owe it
[00:56:28.640] to the world to just keep feeding them and just giving them work like god blessed me with this
[00:56:36.980] talent he didn't bless me with his talent for me to be one of those guys it's like yeah i ain't
[00:56:42.270] dropping i ain't they not ready they not ready for it like that's corny like nah i really rap
[00:56:47.790] like this i'm really like i'm leaving here i'm going to the lab to really rap the way i rap
[00:56:52.890] you know what i mean it's not a gimmick so why not just put it all out lay all your chips on
[00:56:57.610] the table yeah it's a lot it's a lot but you know it all it all land correctly yeah that's what's
[00:57:03.450] up that's what's up even though like i don't post the episodes before they're ready to go like we'll
[00:57:09.110] take a picture we'll take like a promo cool but i feel like until the link is ready that i could
[00:57:14.590] just tap or swipe and click and see it what do i need to now it's different with music or something
[00:57:20.730] like that that it's like i'm not gonna check for something that i just heard of the first time
[00:57:25.150] yeah yeah but i'll go and i'll look back at episodes from february and it's like oh man
[00:57:30.830] the downloads are going off somebody found it whether it was the title right or whatnot right
[00:57:35.870] right right right trust me we were going to make the whole interview about Diddy we were going to
[00:57:40.310] talk about AI rap like I was gonna I was gonna make it a culture podcast now but for real I think
[00:57:47.410] people could definitely take from your message take from your lessons the fact of even just
[00:57:52.530] becoming introspective like that's a huge level up just in life for anybody to be able to be like I
[00:57:58.750] can start looking at myself i mean i only really started doing that maybe two or three years ago or
[00:58:06.200] so like yeah once i put down the alcohol and it's not easy it's not easy to look yourself in the
[00:58:11.620] mirror and be like you're fucking up like you dropped the ball like to tell yourself that
[00:58:18.650] because we all live in this weird reality where we make excuses for like we won't tell anybody
[00:58:25.850] like we're making excuses for ourselves but we make excuses for ourselves like ah nah i am tired
[00:58:31.590] today i did work last night i do deserve this you know what i mean we convince ourselves into making
[00:58:38.590] bad decisions and like i said if you can at least identify that you do that then you're already out
[00:58:45.910] of the bubble and you can then look in and be like okay that was dumb you're an idiot for that
[00:58:52.990] don't do that again and then if you do do it again you know that it's your choice it's not
[00:58:59.330] like you're just it's not nothing's just happening to anybody like nine out of ten things that you do
[00:59:04.790] that happen to you in life it's a direct reaction to an action you took whether it be earlier that
[00:59:10.590] day earlier that week a month before it's a direct reaction to something you know what i mean
[00:59:15.670] so yeah man if we could just start the journey that's half the battle right there oh yeah man
[00:59:20.550] accountability is huge absolutely that's the word accountability absolutely got you man well
[00:59:27.150] is there anything else you wanted to cover it's all that's it bro i mean that's it unless there
[00:59:32.130] was something else you wanted to ask now now i'm trying to yeah when is uh when's the new
[00:59:37.210] brodacy coming out um i don't know i told i told phase i'm ready i'm waiting on him to start
[00:59:44.340] sending me beats i told him like yo it's time it's time that project is that project is special
[00:59:50.240] to me um that project is special it's fire bro uh the way it came together was dope too like the
[00:59:58.340] man really is a genius phase like all of the the sound bites in within the project that's all old
[01:00:04.680] jodeci interviews you know what i mean so and that was that was like a collaborative idea because he
[01:00:11.580] had some other crazy you know he's a maniac he has some other off the wall idea that i'm not even
[01:00:17.040] gonna get into but i was like we're not doing that how about we do this and then he was like
[01:00:22.600] oh okay and then that's when like that's when his gear started you know putting it all together yeah
[01:00:27.740] yeah yeah but that project is dope i feel like we all were on a very high level rapping there um
[01:00:33.660] and honestly it's been a minute since i've heard that many phase verses you know what i mean yeah
[01:00:41.980] the fact that the fact that we could get what is it like 11 songs 12 so the fact we can get 12
[01:00:48.460] phase verses is fucking bananas you know what i mean so yeah definitely a dope project but i'm
[01:00:56.340] gonna shout out to phase i'm gonna help him get the website together pretty much by helping him
[01:01:02.180] i mean just keep telling his ass to do it yeah you know what i mean either that or i'm gonna
[01:01:07.100] buy it out from under him and hold it hostage bro he's an old man bro like he's to the point in his
[01:01:12.800] life where he only does what he fully wants to do which is why i respect him so much because he's
[01:01:20.130] he's that dope off the strength of just wanting to do it he's uh he's andre 3000 yeah exactly
[01:01:27.630] he could put out a bass clarinet exactly album exactly and and it's gonna go somebody's gonna
[01:01:34.110] to be like yo this is fucking fire you know what i mean dude i was getting ready this morning to
[01:01:38.770] that it's uh it's healing energy clean your house to that andre 3000 album that's what i've heard a
[01:01:43.970] little sage that's what i've heard yeah man it's uh and it's it's uh interesting the track titles
[01:01:49.710] too yeah yeah no it's definitely a it's definitely a a body of work it's something i haven't tapped
[01:01:58.090] into it i just haven't been in the i don't think i've been in the the mental space to tap into
[01:02:04.410] but really like you gotta we gotta want to listen to that and want to calm you know be calm or
[01:02:10.510] whatever don't do this don't tell yourself you're gonna sit down and listen to the whole album right
[01:02:15.510] it's like 15 minute tracks you know you could throw on one track get a vibe of it and then come
[01:02:20.990] back to it and it's like it's the little dancing he like paints little bits with the clarinet but
[01:02:27.010] there's like one overall baseline or theme and it just kind of builds up but it's more like
[01:02:32.650] like when i'm designing i'll throw it on yeah if i'm if i'm cleaning house or something that
[01:02:38.730] for sure i don't need to really be listening to or paying attention to like that you know
[01:02:43.550] for sure but shout out to andre 3000 go check out that new album go check out any of the things from
[01:02:50.780] the catalog you got the love factory you got top five volumes one through three you got uh
[01:02:56.840] what's oh i can't think of it no fun intended so we got moment in order it goes moment
[01:03:03.820] moment top five volume one love factory top five volume two no bro to see somewhere in there
[01:03:14.250] and then uh volume three and then no greedy season two which is a youtube exclusive i mean
[01:03:22.410] season one which is youtube exclusive and then volume three and then no fun intended
[01:03:28.070] and then we got greedy season two on the way so yeah i mean the back catalog is there uh don't
[01:03:33.610] be afraid of the catalog guys um it's there for a reason artists put out this much music to be
[01:03:39.890] listened to you know we don't put things out with an expiration date like it's there forever you
[01:03:47.110] know if it wasn't there forever we'd be taking them down after they ran their course so um now
[01:03:52.210] definitely tap into the to the catalog and i appreciate you for you know taking the time to
[01:03:57.790] you know take those steps back and check out a moment or a love factory or a volume one or two
[01:04:02.590] you know that means a lot i appreciate all of it i'll hit you up in the messenger with personal
[01:04:07.390] tracks as i figure stuff out that's the thing that's always cool too to have an artist that's
[01:04:11.670] accessible yeah yeah i mean that i can say here because regardless of what you're doing it for
[01:04:17.620] yeah no artist that i've met doesn't want to hear oh i picked up on that little thing that you did
[01:04:23.340] stuff like uh in that last track that you just played right before the beat switched up the
[01:04:29.840] drums came back in and you switched your the the beginning sounds to like and obliged and like
[01:04:36.000] hard sounds yeah yeah i gotta ask was that you or phase no that's so did you do that on purpose all
[01:04:44.400] the drops that you hear like if i were to play you the masters and i don't mean the the the master
[01:04:51.840] mixes i mean like the the original recordings of all these songs they'd be the most boring songs
[01:04:57.180] in the world because the beat doesn't change yeah like like i said he sends me to four bars
[01:05:01.140] and then i just pull that into logic and then just extend it and that and then i create a whole song
[01:05:09.320] off of that like even joints like um even joints like uh what is it called freestyle 001 on no
[01:05:18.620] fun intended like that was just what's like the the meat and potatoes of the beat that's all i
[01:05:23.820] had and i just extended it and i rapped for like three minutes you know and then phase goes in and
[01:05:30.060] he adds the drops what i do to assist with that is the pattern changes or the delivery changes or
[01:05:38.280] you know the the ad-lib structure you know what might you know shift on on the last four bars of
[01:05:45.140] the of the verse you know what i mean and it's kind of it's kind of an it's kind of like an
[01:05:49.540] unspoken language that me and phase speak like i feel like i send him the vocals he lines everything
[01:05:55.700] up and he hears it how i hear it in my head you know the actual song structure sometimes i might
[01:06:02.520] ask him like hey send me the stems i'm gonna do some drops and then you just do the same just do
[01:06:07.860] the same drops that i did and add whatever you want to add but that's mad weird i probably
[01:06:11.840] happen like twice yeah you know um but no it's like a weird unspoken language that we speak
[01:06:17.020] like i send him the vocals and then he sends me it back and it's like pretty much like eight out
[01:06:22.740] of ten the way that i heard it in my mind so like the chemistry between me and phase is super super
[01:06:28.640] dope especially being 2 000 miles away you know what i mean it's crazy like both of those projects
[01:06:33.060] i recorded out here he mixed i mean i recorded out there he mixed out here so you're talking
[01:06:37.720] about a 2 000 mile distance between two creatives and it still sounds like we were in there in the
[01:06:44.960] studio yeah this is really dope that's super dope yeah well i'm excited to hear the dope stuff good
[01:06:50.680] luck tonight i'm sure you spent some fire in the studio last night yeah yeah versus crazy so i'll
[01:06:56.280] be curious to hear when it all comes together thanks for letting me in on your process i didn't
[01:07:00.200] know about the not writing and stuff like that so that makes me appreciate the music even more yeah
[01:07:05.500] you know thanks for coming through man absolutely this has been i will not lose podcast thank you
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