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January 30, 2023 · 22:47

Balancing Quantity and Quality in Podcasting: Navigating the Fine Line between Too Much and Just Enough - I Will Not Lose Podcast- #0014

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Join us as we delve into the world of podcasting and explore the delicate balance between having too much content and not having enough. From understanding the reasons why some podcasts fail to recognizing the importance of personal preferences in creating content, this episode is a must-listen for anyone looking to start or improve their content.

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Join us as we delve into the world of podcasting and explore the delicate balance between having too much content and not having enough. From understanding the reasons why some podcasts fail to recognizing the importance of personal preferences in creating content, this episode is a must-listen for anyone looking to start or improve their content.

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  1. Yeah, what's up? What's up? Good morning. Good evening. Good night. Good afternoon. Good dusk. Good dawn. Shout out to you whatever time you're listening in, wherever you're listening from. If that's Spotify, Apple Podcasts, Audible, Amazon Music, Samsung, GeoSavon, Google Podcasts, YouTube.

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  7. looks pretty cool. So, you know, you could have been anywhere in the world, but you're here this

  8. week right now with I Will Not Lose Podcast. Let's take a moment to be present and recognize that it

  9. It is now, right now, whether you're right now is washing dishes, running, exercising,

  10. working, cleaning, if you're at an office desk, if you're in a warehouse, if you're

  11. laying down, flying, driving, wherever you're at, let's be grateful we're alive, baby.

  12. Failure can be frightening, but as Winston Churchill reminds us, success is all about

  13. going from failure to failure without losing enthusiasm.

  14. This is I Will Not Lose Podcast.

  15. Let's jump right in.

  16. All right. So what are we going to talk about today? We're going to talk about podcasts, the reasons why they fail, reasons why people don't continue them, why they have such a high failure rate.

  17. And really, the theme is to just kind of fail forward, to not worry about having everything be perfect.

  18. I touched a little bit on the last episode or maybe two episodes ago.

  19. I lose track at this point, but at some point in the past, I talked about the importance

  20. of persevering when you're not number one and how it's about your own personal journey

  21. and not necessarily comparing yourself to others.

  22. You'll see tons of comments and people will say the key to happiness is not comparing

  23. yourself to others.

  24. Well, I think that is part of it.

  25. I think gratitude is a big bigger part but this is a moment to be grateful at the podcast be

  26. grateful that we're putting everything out um at the time of recording this uh I will I won't lie

  27. I record at a different time every week it's usually between Friday and Sunday and then push

  28. to record or to push to actually post it on a Monday but sometimes I just don't feel like

  29. recording on a Sunday, I'll be honest. I like the weekly pace that we have because it sets a

  30. schedule, sets a certain amount of focus. I feel like if I did less frequent than that, I wouldn't

  31. be focused on it and that wouldn't necessarily lead to better content. So thinking about which

  32. pod, you know, some podcasts are weekly, some podcasts are monthly, some podcasts just drop

  33. once every two, three months. I have a huge listenership. Some are every day. So I thought

  34. about how frequent are the ones that I listen to? How many do I listen to? People have a certain

  35. threshold. There are power users. I've seen people in their podcasts and they can just scroll

  36. through however many shows. I'm like, I guess if you don't watch TV or play video games, you could

  37. definitely have that sort of a frequency, but I don't know, for the most of the time I listened

  38. to mostly weekly podcasts. Um, I think Lex Friedman drops daily, but in that realm of like

  39. Lex Friedman, Joe Rogan, I can't consume everything. Um, I like to absorb their shorts.

  40. So I also realized that a lot of this game isn't even the long form episode. Uh, you know,

  41. you may have a long form episode, you may chop it up into smaller bits. And I've literally asked

  42. people to subscribe and they say, no, I'm fine with the the little posts that you put out to

  43. Instagram. So I'm like, oh, man, we find a way to weave that in. If you look at analytics,

  44. it's almost impossible to paint a picture. I mean, the same reel on TikTok has 300 views

  45. and 20 likes. And then you look over on Instagram and it has 15,000 views and 1100 likes. So it's

  46. hard to tell what platform, what posting time, all this. And that goes with a podcast. If you

  47. think about your favorite podcast, think about where did you hear about it? Did a friend tell

  48. you? Did it come across your suggested? Did you just give it a try? And if that one time that you

  49. gave it a try. Was that their hottest content? You know, was that the thing that's going to

  50. make you subscribe and come back? You know, usually podcasts are around for five years,

  51. 10 years. Shout out to the Brilliant Idiots that I listened to. They're about to do their

  52. official release. I'm pretty sure I don't I've been listening to the podcast at least like

  53. four or five years. I think they've been around close to 10 and they're about to do their release.

  54. uh the structure they have now has stayed pretty consistent but i remember back when it was just

  55. uh it was just them talking you know there were different things that came up but now they have

  56. different sections where they ask for listeners things like that so all definitely inspiration

  57. but you create a log like i think there's a certain threshold of too much content so if

  58. somebody's posting daily, you know, uh, I would probably watch every Joe Rogan episode if it was

  59. weekly, but at a three hour episode every single day, I know that he has lists. I mean, he's,

  60. he's cut millions of views every, at least when he was on YouTube. I don't think you could see

  61. his views anymore, but I, I don't see why you wouldn't have a million to 5 million views per

  62. episode, maybe a couple hundred thousand, but even so, people are checking in every single day.

  63. People are sharing the content. But if I get into a backlog, if I miss a week or two of Brilliant

  64. Idiots, I'm like, okay, I can go and I can listen two episodes back. If I miss five episodes,

  65. if something was going on in my life and I miss it, I'm just going to pick up where they left off.

  66. And that's why I think whatever you do, it's the consistency that matters. So I apologize for anyone who is thrown off by my inconsistent posting schedule, but it's always in the beginning of the week, Sunday or Monday. I think the latest we ever posted was Tuesday.

  67. So if you're listening to this on a Monday, then that means I posted it and edited it today.

  68. And we're going to try to keep the Monday thing going.

  69. It's never going to be perfect.

  70. I think last episode, my neighbors were bumping music on Sunday.

  71. So I said, let me try getting up early Monday.

  72. But you got to be in the mood.

  73. You got to be you got to be feeling it.

  74. You got to be dressed.

  75. You know, trust me, I've thought here's some things I've thought of doing an audio only

  76. podcast so I didn't have to get dressed. And I thought, well, that doesn't really stick with

  77. the whole goal of doing this for your mental health and doing this so that you could become

  78. just better at something, sharpen the sword. So if I find myself, okay, I need to put something

  79. up daily, I could probably do a daily audio podcast, but it would become just something

  80. to do every day. I've thought about getting rid of the extra camera angles, but they really do

  81. add a lot to the watching experience. So sorry if you're listening in. This is a syndicated YouTube

  82. video podcast. I try not to mention things that I have to go and post and pull up. It's not like

  83. a Joe Rogan podcast, he has an assistant and somebody pulling things up and they can live

  84. stream what's on their computer screen. So it makes for a great conversation. If I have guests

  85. or I have somebody and we're talking about something, I may put up a visual reference

  86. afterwards, but I try not to make the show reliant on having to watch how many times you're watching

  87. something and somebody says, oh, that's so cool. Look at that. Look at all those colors. And you're

  88. like, what are they doing? And usually a good host will stop and say, for those of you who are

  89. just listening, here's what's going on. And they kind of narrate, you know, like Tony Ortiz takes

  90. a pause and sips out of his branded, I will not lose cup. Shameless plug right there. But I tried

  91. to go for an audio first experience. That's the way I like to listen. But everybody I talk to,

  92. they're like, oh, you know, you should not touch your nose so much when you're on the video. I'm

  93. like, oh, wow, there's actually people watching me speak. So maybe I'll start to do some things

  94. with the set, work on being a more visual podcast. But hey, you know, listeners have different

  95. reasons for tuning in. Some people may have read the description, said, hey, that sounds like a

  96. good episode. I'm going to jump in. Somebody may have said, hey, I know Tony. I think a lot of

  97. listeners know me personally because I'm building things through social. But on YouTube, a lot of

  98. the people are not subscribed. This episode itself is probably going to speak to a different

  99. audience than usual, because there's a lot of people that want to know about podcasting,

  100. how to start it, why many people fail. And so we're going to get into that in a little bit.

  101. But it's important to know what you can expect from an episode. The stuff that I listen to,

  102. let's see, Brilliant Idiots is Charlamagne Tha God and Andrew Schultz pretty much just talking.

  103. The premise of the show is dumb people talking about smart shit. So it's essentially we're not experts. This is our opinion. And it's not a place where I look for a news source, but they do cover pop culture things. So just similar to if you were having a conversation at a coffee shop with a friend, things come up in the news.

  104. Um, I choose not to make my podcast about pop culture necessarily. I mean, if something blows

  105. up and everybody's talking about it, sure. This is an outlet. We'll be able to keep the

  106. conversation going just like in a barbershop or, uh, you know, coffee shop or focus group,

  107. something like that. Um, but the goal is to give you something to listen into. See,

  108. I'm not smart enough to know what everybody likes. And I do ask my audience and I do read

  109. comments and try to get an idea, but I just make content that I would like to listen to.

  110. So as long as it sounds good, as long as I have the equipment, there's not a ton of background

  111. noise. I'm not constantly shuffling with the cup and picking it up, putting it down, making noise.

  112. I think that it gives you the ability to zone in, to tune in. And I don't think that people

  113. hang on every single word. I know I don't remember everything that I put. Somebody puts a comment and

  114. says, hey, you talked about that. And I'm like, oh, that's right. And, you know, we're able to

  115. keep the content going. But I think if you post too frequently, people start to ignore your content.

  116. You have to really think of the psychology as somebody who's listening when you go. And a lot

  117. of people start podcasts and just say, well, I'm going to get on there and talk. And they get their

  118. friends who are going to talk. And it's one person doing all the mixing and editing. And

  119. trust me, the talker, the person talking is, I don't want to say the least important because

  120. everybody's a part of the team, but we'll compare them to maybe the kicker. I don't know. It's

  121. definitely a part of the team, but everybody can talk. Some people have great voices and there's

  122. people with great mic technique that are better on the mic. And those people usually will have

  123. teams around them. But nine times out of 10, if you're the guest or you're something on the

  124. podcast, you're not doing the editing, you're not doing the storyboarding, you're not putting the

  125. organizational content. That's a huge reason for podcast failures. You know, you have either poor

  126. planning, lack of organizational structure, budget. Budget's a big one. You know, I'm a

  127. hobbyist. I'm in this on the cheap end. But you also have to realize I have 10 years of audio

  128. production experience. I know what I'm looking for. I didn't technically start from scratch,

  129. but I'm not thousands of dollars into this game. It's very easy to get that crazy. There's some

  130. upgrades that I want to do, but we have everything we need to be able to produce the show and put it

  131. out. So a lot of the other stuff is going to be for show and we'll get it because that's the

  132. purpose of growing. People want to see growth. That's the great part about documenting this

  133. on video on a YouTube. People are going to be able to look back to when we only had one camera

  134. angle and terrible lighting. Well, we still have terrible lighting, but we'll get there.

  135. Let's give it a chance, people. So when you get into saying, I'm going to start a podcast and I

  136. want to have this sort of theme and this sort of structure, and this is what I'm going to talk

  137. about, that influences what kind of guests you have, what kind of sponsors you have. So if you

  138. don't think about that in general, even figure out the name. You name your podcast the same as

  139. somebody else. Yeah, you're going to get the experience of recording those episodes, but you

  140. lost some brand equity in having to start over, change, or do a new brand or something like that.

  141. I've realized that I've read a lot of books. A lot of content that I try to put in is from a book

  142. or something that I've read, some sort of philosophy that I have. But honestly, it will

  143. come up with the idea of training myself to think of successes learned from failures. And especially,

  144. especially when I'm like, why am I doing this? This is taking too much time. This isn't fun

  145. anymore. All the excuses for why not to start a podcast. I go and I look at like somebody will

  146. text me, you know, a lot of people talk about this, but you're actually doing it. Sure. There's

  147. people who say his episodes are too long. He talks too long. His hair is too long.

  148. We'll stop with the long stuff, but I get it. There's not a preference for everybody. So I've

  149. talked to some people that say your episodes should be longer. Obviously, when there's guests

  150. and there's banter and back and forth, you can have for a longer episode. That also means for

  151. more editing time and to put out a guest every single week, I can tell you wouldn't be sustainable

  152. without some sponsorship or without some bringing this more into a full time thing. So the amount of

  153. editing, the amount of time I like it, we're looking to put this consistency out. And as I

  154. talk to people, that's what they want to see. Now, nobody is checking in. A lot of the viewers from

  155. YouTube are not subscribed, at least over half or close to half. So that could mean that people just

  156. don't want to subscribe. That can mean that my content is terrible, or it could just mean that

  157. people are falling back on the consistency and they know where to find it when they want to find

  158. it. You can go on Spotify, Apple podcasts, uh, or Apple music, Amazon music. You can search. I will

  159. not lose podcast. And I come up, you can Google it. There's a website there. So at any time you

  160. check back, we'll be here with a recent episode. Will the scope change? Sure. We're going to keep

  161. the general theme, but we'll introduce a new season or change some things or just change the

  162. description because I thank you very much. I know there's someone out there who's listened to every

  163. bit of content and every episode. You haven't made yourself known yet, but I don't think that

  164. there are people who have checked every single episode. If you've checked even two, that's given

  165. that means I've given you a reason to come back. And I definitely appreciate you. If you have a

  166. private channel to reach out to me like an inbox, you can reach out to me and let me know things

  167. that I could change to improve to not fall into the pit of one of the I'm not even going to throw

  168. a percentage out of there, the number of podcasts that stop or fail. But it would be great to

  169. make the choice to stop this podcast or move to something else and not fall into a budget or a

  170. lack of organizational structure, lack of collaboration, poor execution. You know, I think

  171. we're doing good. The first episode was named The Goal Is To Fail. So this is kind of a three-month

  172. check-in on where we're going. We've got, I mean, it's amazing to be gifted an I Will Not Lose mug.

  173. it's like you know a lot of times people start hobbies and do things and their friends just laugh

  174. at them on the sideline but the amount of support we've had from friends and family to put this

  175. together um and trust me there are negative comments there are people that uh there's things

  176. they don't like about the show and they make it vocal to uh say it if you want to post comments

  177. publicly you know his episode should be 27 minutes not 22 or 18 or whatever this is um i can tell

  178. you. I go till my notes are done and I plan for about 15 to 25 minutes of content, but there's no

  179. way that I am going to be doing this like a public speech and have some sort of a timer or something

  180. like that. It just takes away from the relaxed feel of natural speech. So we're going to keep

  181. everything going the way that it's going now. We have some guest episodes coming up. We're going

  182. to be announcing season two. Shout out to you if you're listening who told me I am way super extra

  183. for having a season two and saying that they didn't know podcasts had seasons. You know what?

  184. I didn't either, but ACAST lets me select which season it's from. So if I switch up the thumbnail

  185. and I switch it up to season two, it's season two. And we're going to set out the goal right now

  186. to put out 10 seasons of I Will Not Lose podcast. If 10 seasons are up, then we can make the

  187. goal to say, all right, we're going to slow down. Until then, we're going to try for sticking to a

  188. consistent schedule, posting on early in the week. I'll put an official launch date out. I'll put out

  189. an official trailer. Once I figure out exactly what we're going to do and what we're going to

  190. be doing consistently, I'll put out something that kind of substantiates that and make the goal for

  191. promoting and gaining more listenership. But right now, this show, be happy if you're listening.

  192. You are part of a special beginning group. I'm planning on creating something that you can stick

  193. with me for years with and we can look back and just being able to look at the catalog now and

  194. say, I think this is episode number 14 or 15. So that's a solid three months. We've got a quarter

  195. of a year down under our belt. Got an episode up for every week from them, except I think Christmas

  196. and content creators. If you are listening to this because you're looking to start a podcast

  197. and you're going to do something, take my advice. Don't skip a week. Try to set up your content to

  198. be able to put out weekly or daily or monthly content and not have to put together filler

  199. episodes. I'll be honest, I swear every week I'm like, all right, well, I could just get on the

  200. mic and just talk a bunch of crap and fill up 25 minutes and post it and put a cool thumbnail and

  201. stuff. But I like to think that maybe this could be that first episode that you ever hear. I'd hope

  202. that I left you with something special and you can kind of learn from the mistakes and just take

  203. the theme and fail forward. Just get out and try it. Don't wait forever thinking. I mean, I'll be

  204. honest, I would still be in the prep stages of this podcast had we not said honestly, if Gil

  205. didn't have the release date, I think it was October 23rd or late October when he dropped

  206. writing to heal. We had that project ready to go. We said we were going to start a podcast for it.

  207. And I thought in the meantime, you know, it'd be cool if I had this on the side and my brain

  208. started churning. Fast forward three weeks and we're hitting record once a week, writing

  209. titles, putting out content, putting thumbnails, promoting it out to social. So I did a good three

  210. month run of promoting it. I'm going to get back to posting personal stuff on my social things with

  211. family, things with pets, work stuff. And when a new episode drops, I'll make sure I put a little

  212. bit of a content, but don't know how crazy we're going to go with the shorts or things like that.

  213. let's see let's pull up that outro because again it's about consistency

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  217. looking at a bonus episode of just straight shout out. So I'm going to be pulling everybody from

  218. the comments, inboxes, personal stuff you've said, and we're just going to tell the story of

  219. promotion, enthusiasm, and success. Thank you for listening.